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Confused over Mage and Jungle Changes

The Eve of Night·4/28/2018, 3:37:23 PM·53 votes·13,092 views

Botlane continues to be the most impactful role in the entirety of the game. ADCs DPS get to a certain point as to be able to out burst a mage or assassin's entire spell rotation with two auto attacks and supports have so much utility and damage that you are seeing some of them in solo lanes (Rakan mid, Alistar top). But instead of bringing botlane down a peg so that other lanes can have a chance at realistically carrying a game, they're hard nerfing mages and hard nerfing jungle while toplane, though slightly better with the addition of conqueror, continues to be the lane with the least amount of impact in the game. So the botlane meta, that has been here since season 7, continues.

I am getting seriously bored and frustrated with the balance changes of this game and am contemplating taking a long, long break. The changes just have no rhyme or reason and seem to be completely random decisions that don't fix anything. I implore any rioter out there to explain what exactly is going on.

26 Comments

Saianna4/29/2018, 2:09:11 AM12 votes

The changes just have no rhyme or reason

Here's my theory:

In high competitive game assassins can't assassin ADCs, because they are protected by powercreepeditems and supports. So The highest danger for ADCs are in fact mages. But how can you nerf mages without admitting that those changes are only because you want ADCs to make even more dominant.... Lets make bullshit reason "we nerfed mages because waveclear too strong".. Not that that was what they are supposed to be good at, but whatever. Nerf is a nerf. Then we have Jungle changes. You know how junglers tend to gank bot to hopefully win the whole game at the 3-4th minute by tilting 1 side? Fixing snowballing is out of question, but we can make junglers busy, really busy. Oh also decrease the chance for early gank with "random scuttler being random". Not to mention slower level gains as now you need to do more camps to level up (or be lucky with scuttler).

Overall: botlane is safe. Mages wrecked, once-fucking-again. Junglers are tossed to different corner like bag of potatoes. Surprisingly supports haven't received any new "free jail card for ADC" item, but I believe Riot will soon fix that.

LVL99 Helper TK4/29/2018, 3:44:51 AM8 votes

meddler is a gold 4 adc main

Rainfall4/28/2018, 5:40:12 PM6 votes

Riot is pulling the classic balance strategy,skin sales are low on ahri leblanc and zed and just buffing them would be too obvious,so instead they are nerfing everybody else,they did the same thing with sejuani and tanks on the tank update.

ReshiKillim4/28/2018, 5:51:47 PM4 votes

Marksmen are getting some changes (crit damage nerfs from what I'm aware of, IE, Essence Reaver, and Dominik's getting changed afaik) that will be hitting the PBE along with the jungle changes, and as well as a potential new item for enchanters to be more helpful for AP champs and not just shieldbots for marksmen (AP friendly equiv of ardent)

Slice n Dice em4/29/2018, 1:36:41 PM3 votes

ADC's don't do dps they do BPS(burst per second). Currently don't even need to build last whisperer even against 3 tank comps(top,jng, supp). And life-steal is the least of their priorities, upgrading qss into mercurials last or getting bloodthirster last. There was a time when ADC's needed to build sustain to sustain, building lifesteal 1st or 2nd item.

Eye Of Terror4/29/2018, 8:34:59 AM2 votes

Easy. Failure of ADC mains balance team.

Hügö4/29/2018, 2:39:21 PM2 votes

"You force us to nerf our favorite role, we fuck your lanes".

Hyquiem4/28/2018, 5:43:09 PM2 votes

They will nerf things that counter adcs but next pre season will be the end of the sold call crit domination. Adc is not really the problem, the issue is the stat. Which IMO is crit. The only way logically to make a mage equal to an adc is making mage crit items,

º Kindred º4/29/2018, 7:44:45 PM1 votes

Im just concerned what they are going to do with Kindred ...

Elohaven4/29/2018, 3:07:08 AM1 votes

Botlane isn't the most impactful role in the game. At this point, toplane is equally or if not more impactful than botlane with conqueror. At 3+ items, ADCs have the most impact but that's after 30 minutes which most games end by.

Saying toplane has the least impact in the game now is rightfully bullshit. Toplane has a lot more impact than ever with peel, CC, engage, frontline, etc. I don't see where you're getting this data from. I'm seeing more toplaners with positive winrates than ADCs and supports.

Hyquiem4/28/2018, 5:41:35 PM1 votes

Riot told us this.

TeCoolMage4/29/2018, 6:11:15 AM1 votes

are we seriously going back to the days where we go around and say "omg y u change this unhealthy thing when there is another unhealthy thing!" and act like it's valid criticism? Didn't we already debunk the belief that a champion being unhealthy means they should hold off from literally every other change?