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The Eve of Night·9/2/2015, 7:24:45 PM·31 votes·2,916 views

Since I've joined the LoL community, Evelynn has seen only one instance of direct attention from her creators and guess what? It was a nerf. I remember staring at my computer, dumbfounded. It was like a slap in the face. I've read up on all the history of Evelynn and her champion shattering nerfs and minor buffs. Someone I was playing a game with voiced my thoughts: How could they nerf a champion....that was essentially already nerfed?

"We're taking 20 damage away from her Q and buffing the slow on her R (which I might add, is on something like a 2 minute cooldown) to sacrifice some of her solo kill ability for-"

Excuse me? You're taking solo kill ability....from an assassin and...what? It just didn't make sense to me. Someone commented on some forum my mind can't recall that it took riot over a year to fix Evelynn from her champion shattering nerf and it has been 4 years since they said they would be doing anything for her. Echoe and Tahm Kench has been released. Gangplanks rework has passed. Miss fortune has received an update. Garen (of all champions) has received an update along with Darius, mord, and skarner. And Eve? The champions who's mains have been begging for the slightest bit of anything riot would give them? A nerf to her Q. Wow. If I sound whiney, that;s because I am. When I spends 100s of hours and quite a few bucks on someones game, I expect them to at least lend an ear. But all Rioters have replied with in forums is: "Evelynn is not in line for...anything at this time and we dont know what to do for her."

As a costumer, the words "we dont know what to do for you" is the last thing i want to hear. A couple of times I nearly stopped playing the game altogether but I was determined to make Evelynn work. Is she viable? Yes she is. Is she a good jg pick? Not really, no. But that's not really her fault. Really, all Riot would have to do is let her E actually scale ap and giver her w its passive back. Maybe reduce the ridiculous cooldown on her ult. I mean really, annie can summon a death bear and morgana can suck the life out of the entire enemy team every 30 secs but I have to wait 2 freaken minutes for a slow and damage that cant even kill anyone? (I know these aren't exactly their numbers but it feels that way in game).

Her stealth mechanic isnt even really all that good as you cant just walk up to someone so I'm not really buying that her shadow walk is inherently toxic. Just why has riot ignored her for so long unless its to nerf her whenever she's approaching a 50% winrate?

49 Comments

Linna Excel9/2/2015, 7:30:44 PM26 votes

You're taking solo kill ability....from an assassin and...what? It just didn't make sense to me.

Welcome to the world of riot's balance team, where every decision they make has a one in four chance of completely contrary to intended design goals or out of place to the point you have no idea where they are coming from on this.

YuGiHo9/3/2015, 12:10:20 AM5 votes

I love you so much. i cant tell you how many post i have made about the status of eve since she was crippled for the first time and left to rot for over a year. but riot hates eve even if they wont say it, she got a rework and was beautiful and less than a month later she got kneecapped. Riot loves to spit in eves player base.

High59/3/2015, 2:47:18 AM4 votes

Eve is hard countered by pink wards that everyone can buy. It's intriguing game design when people forget how to play against her. I don't know what the solution is. I agree that she's a weak champ against competent opponents.

Lugg9/2/2015, 10:36:26 PM3 votes

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Her stealth mechanic isnt even really all that good as you cant just walk up to someone so I'm not really buying that her shadow walk is inherently toxic.

Her Stealth is one of the strongest abilities in the game. So much of her power is in that one ability, that Riot HAS to weaken her in other areas. Being able to roam the map not spotted by anything but a pink ward is huge. It allows you so much map control.

IAMS4T4N9/2/2015, 10:10:01 PM2 votes

riot hates evelynn everytime she becomes somewhat relevant, they take out the good ol nerf bat and beat her with it. shes in a good spot now, hopefully riot doesnt touch her

Rebonack9/5/2015, 3:30:26 AM2 votes

Step 1) Eve's Innate now treats green/yellow wards as champions for the purpose of spotting her. Step 2) Eve's Q can now target units near Eve even if she can't see them. It now deals damage to wards. Step 3) Buff the rest of Eve's kit now that it doesn't cost an arm and a leg to ward against her.

Super simple stuff.

Rebonack9/2/2015, 7:47:29 PM2 votes

Being able to bypass wards is a HUGE deal.

If Riot made Eve's Innate treat wards as champions for the purpose of detection (and then make her Q target/reveal invisible units when it hits them) it would open up a huge amount of kit power and allow Eve to actually be able to do things.

ima firin9/2/2015, 11:40:56 PM2 votes

the new eve is not weak at all, the "champion shattering nerfs" you speak of were completely reworked and shes an entirely different champion now

Silents4299/2/2015, 11:07:22 PM2 votes

She is seeing decent player in higher elos. So she is only suffering in lower elo.

But I guess few people realize and assassin with perma stealth is unhealthy for the game, and would rather complain.

mirAcIe9/9/2015, 7:55:08 AM1 votes

Since I've joined the LoL community, Evelynn has seen only one instance of direct attention from her creators and guess what? It was a nerf. I remember staring at my computer, dumbfounded. It was like a slap in the face. I've read up on all the history of Evelynn and her champion shattering nerfs and minor buffs. Someone I was playing a game with voiced my thoughts: How could they nerf a champion....that was essentially already nerfed?

Boy you were so lucky not to be there for ALL the nerfs. Source: I play Evelynn since 2011.

m1racles11/23/2015, 8:41:55 AM1 votes

You chose the wrong main buddy. Maining Evelynn is hell. Speaking from personal experience. You are bound to build up good memories about how great things were before they got worse. It never gets better.

Abyssphere9/2/2015, 7:31:48 PM1 votes

They've said that there's some exploration going into Evelynn from a visual update point of view right now, but yeah it looks like she's been left waiting on the gameplay side of things. I don't think she's terribly bad right now but I do feel your pain, I'd really like to play Evelynn but she just needs so much work.

Widder889/2/2015, 9:45:22 PM1 votes

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Is she viable? Yes she is. Is she a good jg pick? Not really, no. But that's not really her fault. Really, all Riot would have to do is let her E actually scale ap and giver her w its passive back. Maybe reduce the ridiculous cooldown on her ult.

I think she is a better mid lane pick than jungle pick. She has enough damage, but she need money, and in the mid lane it is easier to get. As jungler she is often not fed enough to do her job.

Her E scales with AP. 110%, that is not bad at all. But it is physical damage, so magic penetration is a bad buy for her. It is better to just stack AP and CDR. If you go for this route, it is not a big deal that it is physical damage.

What about increased Q damage if the enemy has low health like Morganas W? They changed the R to current health damage, because it is useable from stealth, but Q isn't useable from stealth, so it would be fair if the missing health damage part would be shifted to this ability.

CasterGilgamesh9/2/2015, 10:07:34 PM1 votes

well i never understood the balance teams logic all they do is nothing but nerfs when they could just give buffs to other champions. they never let champion's be strong look at RekSai she gets nothing but nerfs on each patch she is in.riot's balance team just takes away power they dont know how to give power.i would say they know how to take power but they clearly dont since they just flat out gut champions they want to make "balanced"

AdoIf Hitler9/2/2015, 11:58:08 PM1 votes

Well we all know what happens when Evelynn is allowed to be viable. item 2043

Specter0279/3/2015, 1:47:43 PM1 votes

The difficulty of the jungle, while better than release in 5.01, is still a huge nerf to Eve. I was at a point where, without a leash (like when things went wrong) I could still solo clear 3 camps and back for a pot + upgraded machete. It's a struggle now. I'd like it if she had some armor or earlier damage given to her.

jerradwolf9/4/2015, 2:10:32 PM1 votes

i don't understand how everyone is complaining about eve's current state...with the new jungling items and the new juggernaut items, eve can be built LITERALLY ANY WAY YOU WANT. her Q scales off of AP and AD. her E gives you attack speed and an added hit which means instant sheen or lich bane/runeglaive proc, and her ult slows and gives you a shield. you can build her however you want in any situation. your team has too much ap? build ad tank eve. your team almost full ad? build ap mage eve. you can play her in every game and build her differently to fit the role your team needs. there are not many champs that are like this and are still viable. However, i will admit that eve falls off late game especially with the new juggernaut champs that have been reworked into the game. Ultimately though, she is still super viable and i see her at least once in the higher ranked games that stream on the LoL client home screen when i log in.

jerradwolf9/4/2015, 9:51:48 PM1 votes

you aren't going to see more escape on eve. all stealth champs tend to be weaker in their actual kits because their whole gameplay should revolve around critical thinking and assessing the situation. "do they know im here?" "how likely am i to escape if i go in?" "does it look like my team will back me up?". those should be at every stealth champ's mind all the time. eve is all about risk and reward. she has escape. especially if you build her tank bruiser, you can still two shot squishy carries and be able to stay alive in a team fight long enough to get a few high priority kills and escape with w. she is so mobile especially since they put deadman's plate into the game. i almost always buy that on her now for added mobility and tankiness. Referring to your "q scales more off ap than ad" comment. You just have to adapt your play style for what role you are playing. if you are going ap eve, max q. if you are going ad eve, max e. simple.

Miraweave9/5/2015, 3:25:03 AM1 votes

It's because evelynn's passive makes the entire rest of her kit unhealthy.

They actually need to rework it, but that will never happen.