Serious Question: What are Enchanters Intended to Build First Now?

The Yetii Rider··1 votes·451 views

Ardent is getting gutted tomorrow. Source is the 7.21 patch notes, they're probably in the client by now.

Riot said they like Ardent as a way to push supports to be more offensive and interactive earlier, but now Ardent is gated by your level. And as we all know, XP is in short supply for supports.

Well. What do we do now? Serious question. Redemption was introduced and nerfed so no one would rush it. Ardent was buffed and then nerfed so it's bad to rush. So, what item do we build first on enchanters now? Eye of the Oasis, boots and then what?

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OurLestrade3 votes

Build strategically for the situation, like it should be.

MysterQ3 votes

Says every class who 95% of the time rush the same first 3 items.

GinoSoldier1 votes

Ardent has been scaling with levels for a long while now. It just scales less well now. It's still a priority pick to help out ADCs that rely a lot on AS to get things done, not so much the rest though.

The Yetii Rider1 votes

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Ardent has been scaling with levels for a long while now. It just scales less well now. It's still a priority pick to help out ADCs that rely a lot on AS to get things done, not so much the rest though.

The item is much weaker as a first buy. It has about the same power when you hit 18 (if you hit 18) but picking it up at level 7 is going to be horrible. So, what do you buy first?

LostFr0st1 votes

Isn't it gated by the target of the shield/heal's level, not the supports?

Unless I'm missing something...

Sukishoo1 votes

Whatever they want.. duh.

The Yetii Rider1 votes

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Whatever they want.. duh.

item 3174 - power is tied into the scaling of the AP based on mana regen granted by other items. Also, tied to your level because the majority of the damage you deal comes from having an ability maxed (level 9 minimum, better at level 13). item 3107 - power is tied to having other Heal and Shield power items, going to be significantly worse with the preseason and the removal of Windspeaker's Blessing. item 3222 - power is tied to the scaling of Health Regen based on mana regen granted by other items. Also, gives really poor combat stats (MR) for a class that already has incredibly subpar base stats. item 3504 - Damage and Ability Power both tied to your level. Supports will always be the lowest level champions in the game, save for when someone disconnects.

Salron1 votes

Ardent scaling is tied to the TARGET's level for that very reason that supports are underleveled If it was based on the holder's level that would be asinine

Mysticman891 votes

Sightstone->boots->mejais is the spicy route (enchanters tend to be good at picking up assists while staying alive). Followed by redemption, ardent, mikeals, and locket, excluding one situationally, but imo probably in that order (possibly mikeals sooner depending on enemy cc threats).

Consider posibility of skipping another for dedicated control wards. Also circumstantially go for ruby sightstone+talisman.

EarthyMadness1 votes

Are you going to build Redemption in this game?

If yes, still build Ardent first ["first", after sightstone/tier 2 gold gen).

Ardent was broken because of the passive, it's STILL a very strong item because of the stats and the other passives.

Variks the Loyal1 votes

Athenes, Mikaels, Eye item, upgraded Gold item, mobi boots, knight's vow...

Plenty of options

chipndip11 votes

Most enchanters aren't offensive enough to want Athene's, honestly.

Crucible...PFFFFFFT

Knight's Vow isn't an enchanter item and is penalized on all enchanters.

So...really...nothing at all. :D

The Yetii Rider1 votes

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Most enchanters aren't offensive enough to want Athene's, honestly.

Crucible...PFFFFFFT

Knight's Vow isn't an enchanter item and is penalized on all enchanters.

So...really...nothing at all. :D

I asked the question in the playtest patch thread and the playtester responded that he thinks supports will start rushing Mikael's again at higher levels.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

This is a great question. CDR and AP items? That's my guess anyway.

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