Can we have a rework on what Champions are considered Melee and Ranged?

BLIGHTBRINGER·12/4/2019, 12:09:13 PM·3 votes·2,788 views

As you all know Conqueror is being nerfed that is going to affect all Ranged Champions that are being punished because of Casiopeia and Ryze who abuse this Rune the most.

https://twitter.com/MarkYetter/status/1201970160329846784

For instance both Rakan (300) and Urgot (350) are considered Ranged champions because of their Attack Range. But there are certain Melee champions who with some of their abilities/passives reach range of (up to 725)...

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Both Rakan and Urgot at the very least should made to be classified as Melee so that they didn't have item related issues. Here are a few examples for both...

##Rakan Rakan

  • Punished for taking the Support Relic Line because his auto attacks would only execute minions below 30% of their max HP, where as Melee Champs execute them below 50%.
  • Punished for taking Knights Vow because the effect between Partners is reduced from 12% to 6% if you're ranged.

##Urgot Urgot

  • Punished for taking Phage because the bonus movement speed (10) he gets is half of what Melee Champs get (20), when killing units he gets (30) and Melee Champs get (60).

  • Punished for taking Wit's End (if it get's considered) if extra MR and extra sustain is wanted, because both the damage and passive on-hit healing is reduced by half, and then his W also reduces that half amount to 33%, making that item absolutely worthless on him because of the stats, the fact that it's weaker on ranged champions because the healing occurs when at half hp and the fact that his W makes it all even lower on top of it all.

  • Can't buy a bruiser item like Sterak's Gage because it's still Melee only.

##Potential Solutions...

  • Make Rakan Rakan Melee, he gains no benefit from being Ranged. But if there is some form of benefit to this then give him an additional effect to his Fey Feathers Passive, where based on level he gains increasing Attack Range.

  • With such a change he would be able to effectively execute minions with the Relic Support Item and be able to use items like Knights Vow better, while still retaining his Ranged nature as he levels up through out the game.

  • Make Urgot Urgot classified Melee.

  • I know that his nature is to be this Melee/Ranged Hybrid but because of this he suffers heavily from item related problems, he can't gain the full benefit from Ranged or Melee like Items fully, so just make him Melee because he doesn't even use any Ranged items to begin with or get any benefit from Items that are commonly bought by Ranged Champions because of their Stats (like Attack Speed) because his W locks in 3.0 AS.

  • Such a change would allow Urgot to make use of items more effectively, notebly Sterak's Gage.

33 Comments

Boomer12/4/2019, 2:35:00 PM4 votes

I disagree with Rengar and Ekko on that list. Jumping to your target is not the same as having a ranged AA.

Anu3isII12/4/2019, 1:32:56 PM3 votes

Rakan being Ranged was a deliberate decision by Riot to make him weaker with said items, reason being to make him less potent when building tanky.

CaptainAntiHeroz12/4/2019, 12:19:43 PM2 votes

i mean i kinda agree and kinda disagree......................

I think all supports should be able to use the execute passive of the relic variety (without favoritism to melee especially after the changes) But at the same time I don't think urgot should be considered melee because I remember steraks gauge urgod ruining my fun for like a month O_O it was torture

PopcornBunni12/5/2019, 8:55:11 PM1 votes

The only of those melee characters with an actual ranged auto is Poppy's passive and MonkeyKing. The rest all dash or blink toward their target when using the empowered auto, and even in Wukong's case it plays just as much as a spell that deals on-hit effects as it does a ranged auto.

The two mid-ranged champions you mentioned were classified as ranged specifically BECAUSE of their otherwise stronger interactions with melee items. Urgot is already incredibly strong with ranged item 3022 procs, and Rakan is one of the safest of both protective and engaging supports without a melee-powered item 3109.

There could be merit to have a character designed around hitting with melee attacks at close range and projectiles at longer distances, able to build both item 3077 and item 3085, but that champion would need to be designed from the ground up around that interaction and duality. Just be happy that ranged supports can proc item 3858 execute at all now. Before the only one who could use it was Thresh by storing up E power.

DeathBurst12/4/2019, 4:40:47 PM1 votes

Urgot is a real hard case, because the Tiamat line would be bonkers on him if he was allowed to build it. Even at 1/3 damage effectiveness.

But yeah, I'd really like for him to be able to use Sterak, and a not nerfed Phage/Frozen Mallet/Conqueror.

TheFailingMonkey12/4/2019, 9:10:00 PM1 votes

Gangplank he's a ranged champion

Daddy Ants12/5/2019, 5:02:58 PM1 votes

Anything above 200 range is considered as Ranged.