@Riot If Black Cleaver provides too much anti-squishy and anti-tank in one item, what about BoRK?

aperson1·4/9/2015, 1:34:18 AM·68 votes·5,570 views

item 3153 was meant to be a way to counter health stacking when it was first introduced. Now we see many champions such as Zed, Irelia and Vayne building it regardless of who they end up fighting on the enemy team or what they're building.

Part of this problem is that the active is too multi-purpose: Marksmen want it to kite harder, AD assassins want it to burst harder, and bruisers want it to stick and burst harder. Few champs buy it specifically for its %current HP damage - for most, it might as well be flat on-hit physical damage. That's not to say the passive isn't powerful - just that it's a little odd that the item that has %current HP damage is so often used against low HP targets.

I feel like Blade is hindered by the fact that it does so many things. Buying it doesn't feel like a conscious decision of "the enemy has a lot of HP, I should get BoRK," it feels like "BoRK is powerful on my champion, so I will buy BoRK." Personally, I'd like to see BoRK's buildpath changed from Cutlass, its passive improved, maybe given some flat armor pen (similar to Liandry's) and the active and lifesteal shifted onto another, different item.

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IcyPepper4/9/2015, 1:37:26 AM23 votes

Now we see many champions such as Zed, Irelia and Vayne building it regardless of who they end up fighting on the enemy team or what they're building.

To be fair, it's kind of core on Vayne and super useful on Irelia, who naturally beat tanks and bruisers anyway. The sustain and attack speed especially though.

It's core on Zed because he split-pushes late game quite a bit, because he's not as useful during teamfights as he is taking objectives like so and dueling if need be.

Dreadlocks4/9/2015, 1:59:54 AM15 votes

Botrk is OP.. it is like you said.. too "all around good" and is almost never a bad pick up. I feel like Blade has really hurt the "viable items on X champ" Since botrk came out wits end kind of took a turn for the worse... A lot of people will actually pick up a BoTRK on someone like Warwick before a Wits end despite how well wits end is on WW, BoTRK is just too good to pass up.

Sailor Mint4/9/2015, 1:38:40 AM10 votes

Zed build it because his ultimate amplifies it. Vayne builds it because everything else is worse (as a first item).

It gives very little AD, attack speed is mediocre without AD to back it up. Current health damage is weaker against squishies.

Cloud2734/9/2015, 2:23:34 AM6 votes

BOTRK should only affect bonus HP (HP that you get from items, runes, etc). It shouldn't affect base HP IMO.

Lord Graves III4/9/2015, 8:03:25 AM3 votes

Now we see many champions such as Zed, Irelia and Vayne building it regardless of who they end up fighting on the enemy team or what they're building.

To be fair, Bork is an on hit effect, which means Irelia likes it, she also uses it to duel tanky opponents. Zed actually enjoys the tank cracking abilities of Bork, so he is using it as intended (bork is a big part of what lets him "zed" the enemy tank. The AS and shred scale with his ult). And Vayne also enjoys the tank cracking, and the synergy with her silver bolts, which also cracks tanks.

You know who doesn't buy it though? Jinx. Fuck her. Or Draven. Or Darius. Or Nidalee. Or plenty of other champs. Cite a champ who buys Bork, then has no intention of using it to fight bruisers and tanks.

Zed and Vayne definitely use it as intended, and im pretty sure all on hit effects besides nashors are actually intended to be good on irelia.

The5lacker4/9/2015, 2:57:14 AM3 votes

Well I might remind you of the last time we had a %Health shredding item that did @Health shredding and nothing else.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Madred's_Bloodrazor http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Kitae%27s_Bloodrazor

Scrimshäw4/9/2015, 7:05:39 AM3 votes

Bork isn't good on caster champs, like graves (unless you actually need it for a 6000 health tank) Corki, etc, because it still only gives 25 AD. If you rush a BORK on Graves, your skills are going to do nothing. I feel like so many champs build it, because so many champs focus more on auto attacking than anything else. I've never seen Kha or Talon build it, because they rely on their abilities.

Rinky Dinky4/9/2015, 2:39:50 AM2 votes

You don't know the horror that was League of Cleavers.

We have not had a League of Bork.

Tanks are popular now, nerfing that item would be stupid.

rtbf2112795184/9/2015, 2:36:00 AM1 votes

I don't see why ADCs don't just get both. I also don't see why Runaan's with BC and BotRK is bad.