Vayne is some Grade-A Bullshit.

Shroom Junkie··4 votes·1,475 views

The fact that someone can have zero defenses, and not even have to build anything, is beyond bull shit. Combined with her extra damage, crits, BotRK currenthealth% damage, and total self-peel + an AD steroid and stealth to stop AA's mid-animation and totally fuck with your enemy ADC whilst damaging the shit out of them, as well as utterly annihilating every tank in the game as easily as any other champion... its just... disgusting.

Seriously, I cannot tell you how many times I've played a game with Vayne, on my team or the enemy, that she's lost lane, hard or just barely, then anywhere past level 3(whether it be level 3 itself or level 9 or level 18), just destroyed the enemy ADC. She's one of the only ADC's to have a hard-CC which isn't an ult(there's also Jinx, who has no mobility and can be defended against, Caitlyn, with a long-cooldown spell that dashes her about the same range as Vayne's Q and slows the target, still has defenses and her CC is extremely hard to land and obvious to avoid, and Gnar if you're actually going to count him as an ADC which he technically is labeled as a 'marksman', and even then its only in Mega-Gnar form), to add the only one with targeted CC that isn't extremely easy to avoid, and also is a stun and not a root, she has a dash on a 2-8 second cooldown(2 seconds after using the AA buff given from it, so possibly every 2 seconds she could dash, and with her ult, stealth).

Think about this: Vayne cannot be defended against on her 3rd hit, 2nd if she's a jungler and has Sated Devourer, every hit with BotRK can only be defended against by armor, and with that meaning you have to specifically build armor to defend against 2/3 hits from Vayne, maybe even if the rest of her team is AP. And now you're lacking the damage to actually kill her in the first place. So, with all those undefendable hits, and %currenthealth damage, Vayne can go in on anyone that doesn't have a point-and-click CC(only a few champions in the game, the only ones that come to mind are Taric, Teemo, Fiddlesticks and Malzahar), even then, and when they try to AA her, she dashes away in stealth(assuming she has her ult) and cancels that attack, and if they're melee making them having to run back up to her, then 2 seconds later can dash again, possibly canceling an AA or getting away from a dash, do it again, and just constantly reposition without them even knowing where she's going. So they not only get their AA's canceled, but they have to LOOK for her specifically. They have to know where she's going to move their mouse even close enough to A+click, let alone just normally click on her like most people do. You could say "put down a pink ward," or "use an Oracle's Lens," but not many people have one of those on them. In high-elo like Diamond+, maybe Platinum, a lot of people will have Oracle's Lens, but anything lower most won't, plus there's usually one person that takes a ward trinket instead to ward with the support. And anyone who doesn't have it, has to have a pink ward. Its not even guaranteed they'll have a pink ward because they might not have the room, or they might have used it already to put it somewhere. Even if they do happen to see her, even an averagely-fed Vayne(normal CS, maybe a few kills and assists) can generally 1v1 any champion. Heck I've seen Vayne's 1v1 a Tryndamere simply because the Tryndamere can't actually get to them before she kills them, then when they run, she just constantly dashes at them and runs with her increased movespeed by that bullshit passive.

The only way I can imagine beating Vayne is to be either A. Jax, B. Teemo, or C. Master Yi. Jax by ignoring most of her hits with his E, and anyone who's not stupid will just run the fuck away, Teemo with his blind, again, will just run the fuck away, and Master Yi with his tons of attack speed and movement speed plus his gap closer allowing him to, for the most part, stay on Vayne and kill her within 4 or so seconds allowing only one or two dashes and stealths. And then maybe a few point-and-click burst mages like Annie, and even then if Vayne can CC her fast enough its done.

And that isn't counterplay. Give this woman counterplay. NERF THIS SHIT.

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Finn Teh Human3 votes

So in other words Riot should cater to the low elo's who don't understand how to play against her? Good to know.

Shroom Junkie2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Finn Teh Human,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JeeZbJca,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-08-13T02:22:16.873+0000)

So in other words Riot should cater to the low elo's who don't understand how to play against her? Good to know.

How to play against her? PFFFTTT I love that.

She has no counterplay in terms of defenses, she outdamages most ADC's in all-ins aside from maybe Draven or Jinx, or maybe Graves after she gets her BotRK(assuming they're at the same level of gold and XP), and she can literally deny AA's by strategically timing her Q's when she has her ult up, as well as play mind games by repositioning without you knowing anywhere she could possibly be without an Oracle's Lens or Pink Ward.

The only way of 'playing against her' is outdamaging her, which, unless you get fed, isn't going to happen. Even if you do, she can stun you for 1.5 seconds, after she gets her Statikk Shiv or Phantom Dancer is pretty much enough time to get off another 2 AA's for the Silver Bolts proc which she now has an advantage of probably 1/4 or so health on you, and unless you're a burst ADC like Draven, is going to mean a lot. Pretty much the sole counterplay to Vayne is lifesteal, and Vayne can also build that.

Finn Teh Human1 votes

Draven is the strongest ADC if he catches his axe. And yet, no one bitches about him.... Why? Cause no one is playing him atm. "she outdamages most ADC's in all-ins aside from maybe Draven or Jinx, or maybe Graves" she does not out damage Draven, he is the hardest counter to her, Jinx with a bf sword is able to duel her unless she gets condemned (which it's easy to not get stunned if you're not a moron). I know this because I'm a Vayne main, so I play botlane A LOT. Graves has a lot more burst than Vayne whether people believe it or not, with a Leona he and her win all ins even after level 6. And yeah you'd have an idea of where Vayne was if you watch which direction she tumbled in. And dude, you act like her E is an instant stun whether you hit terrain or not lol. And no the counter play to Vayne is you (and you're support) have to constantly be focusing her.

Shroom Junkie2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Finn Teh Human,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JeeZbJca,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-13T15:12:04.664+0000)

Draven is the strongest ADC if he catches his axe. And yet, no one bitches about him....

Yeah, because he's balanced. He has no dashes, he has to catch his axes putting him out of the way to catch them and making it easier for his enemies to land skillshots, he can be defended against, and doesn't have a stealth.

Sakura Mirage2 votes

She has significant counterplay if you don't know how to focus vayne than you deserve to lose she is probably the lowest range adc because everything revolves on auto attacks so if she has to get close for damage just buttfuck her like what maokai with righteous glory does to any adc. Oh but mobility ya stfu right now she is a squishy adc with short range and you are telling me you don't know how to auto attack her as an adc pfft.

Shroom Junkie2 votes

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She has significant counterplay if you don't know how to focus vayne than you deserve to lose

Meanwhile, her, ulting and stealthing everywhere so nobody can actually get to her without a pink ward or Oracle's Lens and dashing away while she kills everyone.

she is probably the lowest range adc because everything revolves on auto attacks

LOL This is the only good excuse I've ever seen to Vayne, and it really doesn't matter in the fact that she has a dash to get closer, a passive to chase and get closer, and a knockback/stun if you get too close and she doesn't think you can fight her.

so if she has to get close for damage just buttfuck her like what maokai with righteous glory does to any adc. Oh but mobility ya stfu right now she is a squishy adc with short range and you are telling me you don't know how to auto attack her as an adc pfft.

yes because you can AA her when she's stealthing halfway between all your AA's so it doesn't actually hit her, then making you lose your target on her so you have to find where she is again and click that(or around that with A+click), and yeah, maybe if you're a robot dude, maybe if you're a robot. Lol.

Sakura Mirage3 votes

item 3364 item 2043 if you don't buy them you deserve not to be able to hit vayne well she is stealth I mean it's 250 gold to get either one.

Shroom Junkie2 votes

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item 3364 item 2043 if you don't buy them you deserve not to be able to hit vayne well she is stealth I mean it's 250 gold to get either one.

Because it matters. Vayne can outdamage almost every champion in the game while only being moderately fed, maybe just enough kills and CS for that point in the game. Even if you could see her, or heck, the stealth didn't exist, it wouldn't mean shit because she can most likely outdamage you anyway.

What if you're the mid or top laner, you're jungler, support and mid/top laner have red trinkets, so you get the wards. Or heck, what if you've used your pink ward already and haven't gone back to buy yet, or what if its late-game and you're at full-build? How are you going to fit the pink ward in then? And you won't have an Oracle's so you can't use that to see her.

Finn Teh Human1 votes

Okay right there, it proves you're bronze. "YOU NEED A PINKWARD, WAAAAH". Yeah buddy, you need a pink ward. That's like saying Akali's shroud is op cause you are too lazy to buy a pink ward. Again, pink wards make a world of difference. Vayne's ult gives her the ability to go past the support and get to the ADC if used correctly. So if you have a pink ward, guess what? That screws Vayne up. I doubt you'd know that cause if you tried it you wouldn't be crying. And yeah Vayne is KNOWN AS ONE OF THE BEST DUELISTS IN LEAGUE. So of course she's going to win duels, but sometimes she's not as good as a Jinx or Ashe in team fights.

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