Stupidest part of the "Janna's meta" argument

chipndip1·Jul 31, 2017·5 votes·428 views

The meta is primarily tanks. "B-b-b-but muh dyevers!" Right...SURE, then where the hell is Vi? Wu Kong? Nocturne (kinda)? Rek'Sai? Why isn't Zed popping off? Where's Kat's sexy ass? Akali's SO HOT side boobs? When's Talon jumping in? Why is it that Mao and crew are the ones running the rift atm? And with that said, how's Janna hanging out at the cool table with all the tanks?

Thing is that, ultimately, assassins and divers are usually (but not never) not as strong as the boards claim they are. Assassins and divers aren't the main influence for Janna's high win rate. How else can we be in a tank meta and Janna's win rate is disgustingly high on a play rate that's blasting off to 1/3? And we STILL got people defending her.

22 Comments

ModWulf HelhammerJul 31, 20174 votes

Rek'Sai is in the meta.

And how do you think Maokai functions if not diving into the enemy?

chipndip1Jul 31, 20172 votes

Oh boy...ONE diver...spoopy. Even then, Rek'Sai isn't as strong as the vanguards in this game atm.

1.5) To be fair, J4's doing well, too.

The point: When someone says "Janna's op", the rebuttle is "We have a diver/assassin meta"...except the meta's leaning more on aggressive tanks than it is on assassins/divers. So in actuality we're saying that Janna's "meta" is "any meta where someone engages a team fight in any shape or form". Isn't that kind of ridiculous for a "niche"?

KONO RUBICK DAJul 31, 20172 votes

don't foget:

warwick kled camille j4 jax irelia (6% pick rate) lee (23% pick rate) kha zix (13% pick rate) zac galio

all of them are cockblocked by janna

just ignore op

chipndip1Jul 31, 20172 votes

Jax isn't a diver or an assassin OR A TANK. He's a skirmisher.
Zac is a vanguard. A tank
Galio's a warden. Also a tank.
Khaz struggles to maintain even a 50% general win rate.
I already spoke on J4 in my reply to this guy.
Pretty much ALL these champs pale in comparison to Mao, Sej, Cho, and the tank squad.

Next time you name change, change it to something that more accurately reflects the amount of bs you spew. Rubick's Toilet's Diet, mehbe?

KONO RUBICK DAJul 31, 20171 votes

Doesn't matter they all get rekt by janna, i don't see why you're searching an escuse for this

Kha'zix also has 52% win rate

chipndip1Jul 31, 20171 votes

You're actually stupid.

Rubick: "Here's a list of divers/assassins that get rekt by Janna that are meta. Janna's strong because it's a diver/assassin meta."

Me: "Some of these are more tanks...in a tank meta. The actual divers and assassins listed here aren't as successful as this meta's strongest tanks, either. This was stupid."

Rubick: "Doesn't matter. Divers, assassins, skirmishers, and tanks ALL get rekt by Janna."

You literally just said I was right this whole time with your smart self.

AhristocatsJul 31, 20172 votes

r u ok? sound really salty tbh

chipndip1Jul 31, 20171 votes

You don't realize that your other post literally contradicted your whole stance on this issue since I started exposing Janna's bullshit on these boards yet, do you?

Actually laughable. Again.

Big LincolnJul 31, 20172 votes

nasus at a 50% winrate despite the meta being extremely favorable for him, boards goes into REEE overdrive trying to convince me he's OP

but It's just JANNA'S META that's why it's okay for her to sit at 56%

chipndip1Jul 31, 20171 votes

It's literally impossible to make a thread calling this champion out on her bs. People are that brain dead. We're all whining for Cho'Gath nerfs and shit...as if nerfing strong tanks wouldn't make her even more "in the meta" based on what they're saying about her being strong against assassins, which are countered by strong tanks.

So we just have to deal with Janna being broken, because people on G&B are ACTUALLY special ed cases. Like LEGITIMATELY pending on 10th grade math skills sorts of stupid.

ZephyrDrakeJul 31, 20171 votes

there are plenty of champions who are really good divers. You don't need to have Vi, Noct or all these bruisers be meta for it to be a diving meta. Tanks like Maokai, Malph, Zac do just fine diving as deep as they can. Kled is also really good at diving and so is Jarvan.

Janna is good for one thing, heavy disengage. That is what she does better than any other champion in the game. When the enemy team is full of champions who like to either run directly at you or engage from weird places that's when Janna is strong because she is designed to counteract those type of plays. She is a more defensive version of Nami who is also good in the disengage department but Nami also has a lot more offensive prowess than Janna.

chipndip1Jul 31, 20172 votes

You can't say it's a diver meta, THEN LIST A BUNCH OF TANKS. A "diver meta" sounds kinda stupid when the main figureheads of it aren't even divers. It's a TANK META.
The point, and the reason Janna's op in solo queue, is that Janna's way too generalized on the defensive spectrum. We know what she does, and frankly it's too much for one support to have with such a low skill floor.

Adcs are good? Janna meta.
Vanguard tanks are good? Janna meta.
Assassins popping off? Janna meta.
Vi and Lee Sin jumping into your back line? Janna meta.

Without making a team chalk full of mages, when is it not a Janna meta? You can't answer that because her whole kit covers anything you'd need from your support between synergy with marksmen and defensive abilities to save allies at least 2-3 times.

ZephyrDrakeAug 1, 20171 votes

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You can't say it's a diver meta, THEN LIST A BUNCH OF TANKS. A "diver meta" sounds kinda stupid when the main figureheads of it aren't even divers. It's a TANK META.

The point, and the reason Janna's op in solo queue, is that Janna's way too generalized on the defensive spectrum. We know what she does, and frankly it's too much for one support to have with such a low skill floor.

Adcs are good? Janna meta.

Vanguard tanks are good? Janna meta.

Assassins popping off? Janna meta.

Vi and Lee Sin jumping into your back line? Janna meta.

Without making a team chalk full of mages, when is it not a Janna meta? You can't answer that because her whole kit covers anything you'd need from your support between synergy with marksmen and defensive abilities to save allies at least 2-3 times.

someone is insanely salty because tanks can be just as good divers as bruisers. You cannot tell me Zac isn't a diver, you cannot tell me Malph isn't a diver, you cannot tell me Maokai isn't a diver with how his ult works. Jarvan isn't a tank and neither is Kled.

Janna is an easy to use champion, so she is always going to be useful in SoloQ where people who don't play support at all can do relatively well with her. She is good at one single thing, disengaging. Sorry your brain cannot comprehend that. She isn't good against assassins, they can just target her and force her to blow everything to defend herself. She protects her teammates, if the entire strategy of he enemy team is run at you or jump at you then she is really good. She is terrible when it comes to poke, she is terrible when it comes to heavy burst. SoloQ though is a place where everyone just knows how to do one thing. Run at each other and mash their heads together constantly until someone gives. With such simplistic way of doing things Janna will always be useful to some degree.

KONO RUBICK DAAug 1, 20171 votes

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someone is insanely salty because tanks can be just as good divers as bruisers. You cannot tell me Zac isn't a diver, you cannot tell me Malph isn't a diver, you cannot tell me Maokai isn't a diver with how his ult works. Jarvan isn't a tank and neither is Kled.

no he can XD, galio is a warden too apparently

dude can E, W flash into a team to taunt 5 man, but that's definitly the gameplay of a warden

chipndip1Aug 1, 20171 votes

You were given quotes. Read those and stop embarrassing yourself.

chipndip1Aug 1, 20171 votes

Jarvan's a diver.

Kled's a diver.

Those THREE VANGUARD TANKS ARE VANGUARD TANKS, SMART ONE.

If this was a "diver meta", you'd have actual divers like Vi, Kled, Jarvan, Lee Sin, Xin Zhao, and so on being the top spot champions. It's. A. TANK. META. Where the strongest champs are generally vanguard tanks. Much like you can use a diver for a more bulky off-role front liner, you can use a tank as an off-role diving tool to lock down back line opponents, but they aren't divers. That's as dumb as saying "Sona's a strong mid lane pick". Some people off-role with her and go mid...NO SHE'S NOT A MID LANE CHAMP. Same thing here.

And the rest of this post is you being ridiculously uninformed so I hope you GET informed before talking about what my brain can't comprehend, given your AMAZING work here with your "diver meta" talk and Rubick's inability to understand that Galio's a warden, EVEN WHEN PROVIDED WITH QUOTES FROM RIOT THEMSELVES.

ZephyrDrakeAug 2, 20171 votes

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Jarvan's a diver.

Kled's a diver.

Those THREE VANGUARD TANKS ARE VANGUARD TANKS, SMART ONE.

If this was a "diver meta", you'd have actual divers like Vi, Kled, Jarvan, Lee Sin, Xin Zhao, and so on being the top spot champions. It's. A. TANK. META. Where the strongest champs are generally vanguard tanks. Much like you can use a diver for a more bulky off-role front liner, you can use a tank as an off-role diving tool to lock down back line opponents, but they aren't divers. That's as dumb as saying "Sona's a strong mid lane pick". Some people off-role with her and go mid...NO SHE'S NOT A MID LANE CHAMP. Same thing here.

And the rest of this post is you being ridiculously uninformed so I hope you GET informed before talking about what my brain can't comprehend, given your AMAZING work here with your "diver meta" talk and Rubick's inability to understand that Galio's a warden, EVEN WHEN PROVIDED WITH QUOTES FROM RIOT THEMSELVES.

ok, Zac the champion designed to jump into your backline is not a diver. Malph a champion that is used to jump into the backline is not a diver. Maokai the champion used to flank and dive deep into the enemy lines is not a diver. Sorry but get the hell out. You are so wrong in so many lvls it's not even funny. Are you even trying? sorry but you don't need a fancy title from riot to be a diver. If your job as a champion is to dive deep into the enemy backline then you are a diver regardless of what the title says. TRY AGAIN!

chipndip1Aug 2, 20171 votes

You're a prime example of why people shit on the game play and bronze boards. Ciao. Done here.

LõyaltyJul 31, 20171 votes

Its not Janna. Coin is giving her too much money along with the money she gets from picking up tons of assists.

EschetonAug 1, 20171 votes

This is an ADC/Duskblade Meta. Tanks that peel and engage and survive long enough for said ADC to deal the damages are good. Janna increases ADC damage without even buying items for it. And peels like a boss.

Basically 3 supports, 1 ADC, 1 APC is meta right now.

chipndip1Aug 1, 20171 votes

The strongest champs right now are coin abusers and tanks. How does this meta magically transform to marksmen and Duskblade?

The meta's defined by the Most. Efficient. Tactics. Available. That's tanks right now. Why are we STILL shaking in our boots over Duskblade?