"You're confusing tanks with meatshields."
Look what you've done Rito. You've added so much damage and carry potential to tanks and fighters you've pretty much made people actually think they aren't supposed to be CC meat shields. What. The. Fuck.
SEKAI7 votesMundo is a bruiser. Nasus is a bruiser. Sion is a bruiser. Renekton is a bruiser.
Amumu is a tank. Alistar is a tank. Sejuani is a tank. Nautilus is a tank.
Ofc there are the middle grounds like Hecarim and Maokai who are kinda both but I am listing the obvious here.
In short, tanks are meatshields but not all meatshields are tanks.
BattleOxe1 votesYou shure Sion is bruiser? And where would you put J4?
Binxy Prime2 votesj4 is a fighter
Melee Champ Classification from highest damage lowest tankiness to lowest damage highest tankiness
assassin fighter bruiser tank
Mecha MaIphite8 votesSion is more a tank, at least until he dies and his passive goes off.
Shroom Junkie1 votesI totally agree. And I agree on your opinions of who's a tank and who's a bruiser. But this guy here was basically saying "tahm is a tank but a tank isn't a meat shield."
MohawkBird3 votes[deleted]
SEKAI1 votesI would never consider Amumu to be more of a tank than he is a bruiser. That
build is devastating and he plays quite the effective sustained damage AP bruiser.
Much like the case of Shen who is a bruiser that is only played as a tank.
Amumu is a tank who is played as a bruiser.
Kit wise, due to the hard CC Q he has and that devastating ultimate, he generally falls into the realm of tanks by definition.
But I guess one may argue that he's both.
MohawkBird3 votes[deleted]
Shroom Junkie1 votesExactly. But I'm not confusing tanks with fighters, I know the line between them. Fighters are tanky DPS champs whereas tanks are tanky CC champs to protect their team(and specifically their carries).
Tahm Kench and Gnar blur the lines... its pretty stupid that they get to have both. Seriously, Riot already has a good example of a mix between tank and fighter and that's Braum, he's tanky, has CC, carry protection, and personal damage, but none of them are too high ranking or top of their class whereas Tahm Kench and Gnar are crazy with Tahm's low CD ally Zhonya pretty much eliminating any chance for an assassin to get them, and Gnar's game-changing W-R-E-Q combo, yet they both have the damage of a fighter or carry.
Lauchmelder2 votesTahm is oppressive as hell. He is borderline broken right now, the amount of CC and tankiness is absurd. Combine that with a free GA (his shield) it makes for a 5v6.
Mundo is a tank, Tahm is a bruiser support.
SEKAI1 votes[{quoted}](name=MadKnife IV,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JNtdP2aX,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-10-27T17:45:23.021+0000)
Mundo is a tank, Tahm is a bruiser support.
Mundo is bruiser.
Tahm is more or less on the middle between bruiser and tank. But I guess closer to being bruiser.
Lauchmelder1 votesYes, could have said it differently tbh. But personally I count Mundo as THE definition of a toplaner. He is both fun to play, hard to kill, has some CC and still feels more or less balanced.
BattleOxe1 votesMaybe definition of top lane, but not a definition of a tank
Critmaster Garen4 votesMundo is bruiser.
Tahm is more or less on the middle between bruiser and tank. But I guess closer to being bruiser.
considering his ult enables him to engage a fight, he has utility to save allies and disrupting cc on a relatively short cooldown on his q (or completely crippling if he uses w on an enemy instead of ally) id clearly classify him as a tank.
{quoted} Sion is a bruiser.
id also say hes a tank. he has engage on his ult and aoe cc.
SEKAI1 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JNtdP2aX,comment-id=000200000001,timestamp=2015-10-27T18:10:43.923+0000)
id also say hes a tank. he has engage on his ult and aoe cc.
Sion is a bruiser who is very close to tank. His kit is not reliable and has infinite scaling.
MohawkBird1 votes[deleted]
SEKAI1 votesTahm is basically the best of both worlds. He tanks better than damn near any champion in this entire game due to his essential 2 life ability, but he still out damages a lot of champions in the game who even spend the gold to build damage items.
Not even a middle between the two. But he is literally the best of both of them in terms of ridiculously high damage and tankiness.
Well balance went wrong, can't help it.
Jbels1 votes[{quoted}](name=MadKnife IV,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JNtdP2aX,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-10-27T17:45:23.021+0000)
Tahm is oppressive as hell. He is borderline broken right now, the amount of CC and tankiness is absurd. Combine that with a free GA (his shield) it makes for a 5v6.
Mundo is a tank, Tahm is a bruiser support.
All that CC, I know right? Fuck man, a slow and and stun, not like there are any other tanks who have those CCs, or something like them. And God forbid a champion with no mobility have a unique mechanic that punishes people who don't respect him and give him a wide berth
Lauchmelder1 votesNot like he can slow you, get 2 passive stacks on you and do insane damage with his Devour right?...
Next time pls use logic instead of simply replying as a need of defending a champion you like.
Jbels1 votes[{quoted}](name=MadKnife IV,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JNtdP2aX,comment-id=000200010000,timestamp=2015-10-27T18:53:46.972+0000)
Not like he can slow you, get 2 passive stacks on you and do insane damage with his Devour right?...
Next time pls use logic instead of simply replying as a need of defending a champion you like.
The only thing that needs to be looked at is his ability to save Allies from hard CC and burst damage. Tahm isn't broken, you're just bad at dealing with him. He's very kiteable, he does almost no damage unless he's right on top of you, and he practically doesn't have an ultimate
Shroom Junkie1 votesLiterally the only thing that makes Tahm anymore broken than other tanks is his sheer amount of damage. Other than that he's not any worse than other tanks. Has a slow, a situational stun, lots of peel with devour, and his ult is kinda useless besides for the occasional tower or kill save with it. Even then the worthwhile thing is the %health damage.
Mimy2 votesWish there were meat shields.. It almost seems even tanks get destroyed when a fight happens and when ever the tanks are scared to go in.. me as a squishy is even more scared.. xD
Baby Ghoul1 votesTanks are supposed to counter burst damage. They are shields for the carry in that sense.
They are supposed to be countered by sustained damage like DPS. The problem I see lately is people playing tanks and acting like they can take all the damage in the world when the meta favors these champions that melt health bars, and even include true damage. They aren't unkillable meat shields anymore like they were a few months ago. It's why we are seeing less and less tanks and more and more fighters when it used to be the opposite.
What tanks and fighters have in common is they usually are good at engaging. It's easy to blur the lines between them, especially when the juggernauts come into play.
Tahm Kench is an interesting case because his oppressive power allows him to stay top tier in a meta that does not favor other tanks. Tanks in general are no longer the stars of the team anymore. The meta will shift again soon enough. I would say everyone should try Tahm in the though. It's a lot of fun.
