If Swain ever needed more changes at any point, I had a few ideas that I wanted to share

BLIGHTBRINGER··5 votes·4,935 views

##IDEA #1 - R (TLDR: Duration refreshed or extended on takedowns)

Swain Swain's ultimate is somewhat similar to other ultimates we know...Aatrox Vayne MasterYi

  • Having his R duration refreshed or extended by X seconds would make him less vulnerable and make him feel more rewarding in general.

This one time I saw a Swain ulting when he was engaged on, he tried to kite them, he managed to take one down but his R ended pretty quickly afterwards and he died instantly. While the the change to his Passive (stacks give him HP) was sort of a good step in the right direction of making him more of a AP Bruiser like Champion, I think what he really needed more is the enhanced strenght on the Drain Healing Gameplay that he had before the Rework.

##IDEA #2 - R (TLDR: Making Demon Flare trigger when dying during Demonic Ascension)

  • Having the ability for Demonic Flare to trigger when dying during the Demonic Ascension can be useful in the sense that sometimes you could potentially kill an enemy that was just low enough for the Demonic Flare to finish them but you just happen to die too early.

i'd also like to consider this change more of a QoL Buff rather than a full on buff.

##IDEA #3 - E (TLDR: E size increased based on the amount of champions passed through and potentially Passive Pull Timer duration increased for Swain's own CC)

  • Having the E size increase based on how many champions it passes through, essentially allowing to pull back 5 Champions.

If this change was selected then the timer that Swain gets to pull enemies needs to be increased to be a little bit longer (only his CC, not allies's) because pulling just one enemy back takes a while, and the reason why it should only be limited to Swain's own CC is to prevent him from becoming incredibly oppressive in synergy with other CC heavy Champions like Sejuani in Pro Play, since Pro Play usually consists of Champion picks who offer a lot of CC.

14 Comments

mark60283 votes

Only thing swain needs is a revert.

Titanium701 votes

amen

5050BS1 votes

Kit Yes Visuals No.

I like his Look

Titanium701 votes

I liked the "physical" Demon form more than the incarnation we have right now, tho. Other than this yeah, probaly. But less because his new look is actually GOOD. And more because his old visuals were... let's not talk about this any longer...

mark60281 votes

Not fond of his legolas look.

More badass feeling walking in with his pimp cane before transforming into a fuckin demon raven and eating enemies alive.

But yes i want his old kit back. I tried it i really did but his kit is just all over the place so awkward and more importantly just another generic hit long range CC and oneshot piece of shit like every mage in this shitty game.

The old Dot/DPS drain tank playstyle was so much more fun and healthy for the game btw. If everything bursts we get season 8 and 9 everyone oneshotting each other not something i enjoy.

EATARI1 votes

My only hope for Swain is that he would get Max HP scaling on his ult. That way I could build Spirit Visage without completely losing out on damage.

BLIGHTBRINGER1 votes

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My only hope for Swain is that he would get Max HP scaling on his ult. That way I could build Spirit Visage without completely losing out on damage.

i'm surprised none of his abilities have hp scalling (besides his Passive).

5050BS1 votes

Thats because his passive change was only halfassed planed out.

His QWER SHOULD have more to deal with his HP and Shards

I LOVE what they did to Pantheon and wish Shards for Swain would work similar.

Titanium701 votes

The ult is really the sad part about Swain, it's a glorified zoning tool that only ever deals actual DMG when you have a Liandrys. It's good they removed this stupid minigame but...

I miss the old so much - that's what made him unique and interesting...

I'd actually take the minigame back, make it so only at 5 stacks the explosion triggers at all (or removed it all together IDC), cut the Ults CD to pieces (30s/20s/10s), bring the ramping up Mana costs back, increase passives mana restore (maybe based on missing mana), rebalance his numbers from there, reducing his range on some spells [Q/E] would probably be necessary as well.

THAT would actually be SWAIN! The mana hungry battle mage monstrosity you dont want to EVER be close to! Not what ever im playing now...


Increasing the Ults duration on takedowns is also an idea I like. Not compatible with the stuff above but something that is more... realistic. xD

Ragnaveil1 votes

Idk about those changes, but one thing is for sure: Why the fuck does he have such low base armor? A battle mage like him with that armor has to sacrifice one damage seal for a extra armor seal in a lane where that barely gets sacrificed. They need to bump his base armor to 30 or 32.

mark60281 votes

Because his old self had only like 18 armor too i bet riot just copied that despite new swain being completely different than old swain.

Daddy Ants1 votes

Swain doesn't need anymore buffs.

Harden Stepback1 votes

I like idea 2... far too often do I die without r2 being triggered.

KicktheDoor1 votes

Swains awful:

(P) 100-200 bonus HP by 15-20min

(Q) Cool down is too high and does no damage past close range.

(W) Good utility and decent damage late game. Useless in lane unless you chain it into (E).

(E) Does no damage and moves too slow especially when your trying to stun people in front of you.

(R) Does no damage while you charge your burst. Sustain is negligible.

There's not a single lane Swain does well in. Almost anyone can out trade you as soon as they get close enough if you have no ultimate.

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