's W passively grants him 0.25 bonus armor and mr for every unit killed, up to a maximum of 30 bonus resistances.
This means that Garen needs to kill 120 units to fully stack his passive, which takes quite some time if he's playing as the jungler (unless he decides to heavily tax his laners).
My proposition is this: why don't you buff his passive so that it grants him 0.5 bonus armor and mr (instead of 0.25) whenever he kills a large or epic monster?
SirΤeemο3 votesthen don't play jungle garen? he is not meant to be a jungler but top tank
XIII Vanitas1 votesGaren jungle was fairly popular in S5, even at high elo, because his villain mechanic works best if he's free to roam around the map.
Why shouldn't Riot try to bring him back? He's not toxic for the game, because his ganking potential is limited by his lack of mobility, and it would be cool to have more champion diversity in the jungle.
AL0001 votesYes but his biggest weaks
XIII Vanitas1 votesThat's completely fine: those are meant to be Garen's weaknesses, no matter where he's played.
Btw, you're supposed to max Q first, then E, and the enemy jungle is full of brushes.
Grimspeake1 votesCinderhulk has so much synergy with his kit. Its nice to see others play jungle garen
Need Gold 4 Tent1 votesjunglers have a limited income, so a lot of the time even tank junglers cannot afford to lose out even a bit of damage early on to increase chances of a successful gank. i'd rather go warrior and ensure more successful ganks, than wait for the better scaling cinderhulk.
don't get me wrong, cinderhulk is great on him, but if you lack the early damage your ganks are less likely to succeed.
XIII Vanitas1 votesYou can also rush boots of lucidity and phage, since the lack of mobility is his weakest point.
Need Gold 4 Tent1 votesCDR isn't as important to him early game, as you will unlikely get a chance for a second rotation during a single gank anyway so it can be put off later. Besides, it is stupid easy to itemize for, cleaver+warrior is 30% already. Add visage and you've hit 40%, so lucidity is a bad idea. swifties are the most cost-effective option, while the defensive boots are the best (but more expensive) option.
XIII Vanitas1 votes[{quoted}](name=Sir HaxaIot,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JIhgbWEb,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2017-04-15T22:39:35.826+0000)
CDR isn't as important to him early game, as you will unlikely get a chance for a second rotation during a single gank anyway so it can be put off later. Besides, it is stupid easy to itemize for, cleaver+warrior is 30% already. Add visage and you've hit 40%, so lucidity is a bad idea. swifties are the most cost-effective option, while the defensive boots are the best (but more expensive) option.
Early cdr is useful because it allows you to clear the jungle faster. On top of that, lucidity boots give lower cd on summoner spells, so you can smite more frequently and Q+flash more frequently. There's no point going warrior enchant if you're behind, so imo it's better to rush black cleaver + boots and see how the game goes from there and decide wether you prefer cinderhulk or warrior.
Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votesNo, this BS idea would buff Garen top too.... Btw he isn't designed to be a jungler.
XIII Vanitas1 votesNot at all. It would only grant him 0.25 more armor and mr whenever he kills the Scuttle Crab or the Ancient Krug (which is the big one, not the medium one or the small ones).
AL0001 votesbetter number = 0.3 from minions 0.4 from big monsters 0.5 from champions 1.0 for kill yourself without give them free kill.
LegenDariusGaren1 votesI sent him a message on reddit and here is what he responded:
"Yeah, sorry for the late response on that. I should have gotten back to the thread. I talked with the balance team about it, and since it's never been on Live since the Juggernaut update (it was a typo from an older version of the patchnotes) and Garen seems to be in a decent spot, we decided not to change it to this version, since, though perhaps unlikely, we didn't want it to push him over the top."
XIII Vanitas1 votesI sent him a message on reddit and here is what he responded:
"Yeah, sorry for the late response on that. I should have gotten back to the thread. I talked with the balance team about it, and since it's never been on Live since the Juggernaut update (it was a typo from an older version of the patchnotes) and Garen seems to be in a decent spot, we decided not to change it to this version, since, though perhaps unlikely, we didn't want it to push him over the top."
Oh, thanks for the information!
Anyways, if I had the chance to talk with Riot Repertoir, I would argue that jungle Garen's current situation is pretty different from back then and he could use a small buff.
Asayake 5150glow1 votesWhat about +0.01 armor and MR with each push up done? [slayer-jinx-catface]
Colgate Minuette1 votesI hate garen with a passion so your idea can go rot in a hole. [slayer-jinx-unamused]