In my opinion Riot's rework philosophy is promoting one dimensional champions

Goosetard··6 votes·752 views

Here are two bullet points from the mid year mage update posts in the dev corner: Brand:

  • Outside of Liandry/Rylai, there’s not much reason to pick Brand over other AoE mages unless he simply deals more damage than they do. Tough to balance.

and VelKoz:

  • Generalist damage output without meaningful utility means he must be balanced around simply doing more damage than anyone else

To me, it seems that this train of thought is saying "Champions should be able to do one thing, and if other champions can also do that one thing, then they should all do it in a different way. From this difference in how they do one thing arises their Strategic Identity."

This completely ignores any secondary strengths the champions have, and I think that's wrong/bad/sad etc. If I want an AoE mage, we already know I want some AoE damage, and the rest of the team will have abilities which all compliment holding the enemy team in a place and dumping on them. I can then select from AoE mages based on what else they do well besides AoE and how that fits into my team comp and against the enemy team comp. You can pick an AoE mage that also has better waveclear than other AoE mages, or better poke, or better CC, or a middling general strength out of all of them if that's what you want, and that should be OK.

We've seen this in other reworks, too. Take, for example, Quinn. To be honest and upfront, I don't like the Quinn rework, but I understand that a lot of people do, and if the community as a whole feels better about it than that's something I can appreciate. But, in removing the combat half of her ult, they removed her assassin pattern completely and instead turned her into a race car. If her assassin pattern was toxic, fine. If she was oppressive against a lot of toplaners and a too-reliable assassin against squishies, fine (I abused those two qualities a lot to the tune of an almost 70% winrate). In light of those facts I accept that they needed to change her for the health of the game. But I think it's hard to argue that she didn't get a lot more one-dimensional as a champion.

TL;DR secondary strengths in a champion are a viable source of strategic identity and should be encouraged and preserved.

9 Comments

Guy Fox Teemo6 votes

Theres no difference between Brand and Velkoz, I want a strong AOE Mage, with burst?

Theres not much of a choice, the only difference is, Velkoz does more burst at the expense of skill shots, and Brand does a bit less, with less range, but his abilitys are much easier to land.

There isn't much of a difference besides little nit picks here and there. Every champion should be unique in what they contribute to a team. Thats what they're trying accomplish with all these reworks for the past year.

Goosetard1 votes

Velkoz has:

  • more reliable waveclear
  • better kiting thanks to higher base ms and a slow
  • more reliable aoe damage output through ult

Brand has:

  • more powerful single target CC
  • stronger lane presence
  • DOTs give synergy with rylais, dft

I don't feel those are nitpicks at all. I'm not sure why you think that there's "no difference" between brand and velkoz, and I'd be very, very surprised if you also thought there was no difference playing against brand or velkoz.

The reason I think this is such a problem is that I don't think you can make 130+ unique things to contribute to a team while having them all be viable and balanced at the same time. League is supposed to be a game of strategy with deep decision making. I don't think "every champion being obviously unique" delivers on the "deep" part of that.

Ghiefelstein2 votes

Why do you conclude that reworked champions will get more one-dimensional? The whole reason for the reworks is that these champions are only good at one thing (AOE damage) without offering meaningful secondary strengths. Then you end up picking the one with the highest damage. Your TL;DR basically sums up Riot's rework philosophy. Only Riot does not consider 'middling general strength' as a healthy identity.

Furthermore I disagree that past reworks have made champions more one-dimensional. Specifically for Quinn, I find her speed a lot more interesting than her old assassination patterns. Now I have to adapt and play differently when Quinn is in the game, which helps keep things fresh. I rather see specialistic champions with their own niche than generalistic champions with minor differences.

Goosetard1 votes

I think you make good points. I think 'middling general strength' can be a healthy identity so long as that champion is the only one in a group that has that identity.

With regards to past reworks, and specifically quinn, I get that quinn changes the game in a way you find enjoyable, but she changes it by being able to zoom around and that's all she can do now. That's what I mean by one dimensional. Maybe it's an interesting dimension (even if I don't like it despite everyone else seeming to), but I don't think the roster can support 130 champions with one dimension, even if they're all interesting dimensions, and remain healthy.

Unstoppable Monk1 votes

People pick Brand all the time, especially when he was featured as an unusual support laner.

You pick Vel'Koz because you want to see giant laser beams.

Revali1 votes

I pick velkoz just for those nice geometry q's Velkoz

Hayaishi21 votes

Brand does more AOE damage though, and it's harder to avoid as a team.

If you're all together his ult bounce hits harder than Vel's laser.

Goosetard1 votes

It's hard to determine because how much velkoz ult you take is variable, but no, it doesn't. It goes slowly enough that oftentimes one person can flash away and take it with them. By base damages, getting hit with the brand bounce twice will always do less damage than a velkoz ult. Brand has the edge in AP scalings, velkoz has his passive. Velkoz ult damage doesn't diminish the more targets are present, either. It's also more reliable (you can't flash/dash to pull it away from a teammate, you can't block it with braum shield or windwall) and has a much safer cast range.

HandsomeStreamer1 votes

Wait hold up. "Reworking champions because of how we made them in the first place..."

STOP CHANGING THEM!

The main problem is riot making new champions all the time. They really need to stop doing that and hold off until like...never.

Riot, copy how blizzard takes care of their StarCraft2 Balancing for once. This is how you lose players, not entice them. Jesus. There's already over 100 champs right?

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