Instead of hearing we were right, I'd prefer to hear we won't be disregarded next time

Goosetard·8/25/2016, 5:13:41 PM·250 votes·22,143 views

Almost immediately after the Mordekaiser rework, he went from pick/ban overpoweredness, back to the dumpster, back to a niche pick in a different lane than he used to be played in.

Several months after the Vel'Koz rework, Riot conceded that it "didn't quite hit the mark."

Now, Riot admits that the competitive integrity of Dynamic Queue is inherently flawed.

In all of these cases, Riot has cautiously justified their actions in retrospect by acknowledging that experimentation and "daring to fail" is an important part of the creative process, and part of pushing league forward. That's fine, honestly. I don't think either smug gloating from the community or obsequious apologizing from Riot is appropriate here.

However, in all of these cases there was a significant vocal minority that expressed dissatisfaction with these changes through good, constructive reasoning. (There was also a lot of nonconstructive hubbub, but that shouldn't detract from good discussion). Riot's responses ranged from "Don't worry, we know what you're doing, you'll like it," to "We know better than you <insert patronizingly simply data>."

I don't want to hear an apology; I don't want to gloat. #I want to hear that Riot will listen more carefully in the future

217 Comments

RiotRiot Scruffy8/25/2016, 11:54:10 PM42 votes

This is definitely the goal (at least what I see from where I'm sitting). Both the community and Riot devs want to better communicate and make the right decisions in the long run.

The interesting part is How do we do this better? How do we better sort out the complaints about change from the well reasoned arguments? How do we express our path if it's one that some players disagree with?

I don't think I have all of the answers to those questions fully but things that I do know that we will try:

  • More communication in general - early previews of updates, responding and reading to pbe, etc
  • Clear understanding of what players are saying - also demonstrating that we do understand by acknowledging it
  • If we do find ourselves in the wrong, own up to it and try to resolve the problem
  • Honesty straight up - I may disagree with you but at least you know I'm giving you the real reasons behind my decisions
ForeverLaxx8/25/2016, 6:16:23 PM36 votes

Riot has been saying forever that they "learn from past mistakes," but all evidence is contrary. There's basically no one left from the original design team that understood that sometimes where they wanted to go would do more harm than good. After years of replacements and an entirely new team, their goals have been "make the change, apologize later, rework when it fails" and that's the quickest way to kill what was once an above-average game.

venomous frost8/25/2016, 5:24:18 PM25 votes

there are always people complaining about change, by this philosophy nothing will be changed

People are already making threads about yorick not being "unique" and "interesting" anymore, i mean really?

THE RlVER KlNG8/25/2016, 8:09:00 PM13 votes

Don't forget the Shen rework Riot admitted to not fulfilling his fantasy well.

xBushx8/25/2016, 5:44:54 PM7 votes

Great point!

If they didn't invalidate our opinions on solo/dynamic queue in the first place we wouldn't be here and the community would be healthier for it.

Voluug138/25/2016, 11:40:23 PM7 votes

Karma mains: Maybe the rework isnt a good idea, it seems very un-Karma.

Morello: who cares she only has 2 fans lolololololololol laugh guys I am SO FUNNY.

Oleandervine8/25/2016, 5:29:54 PM6 votes

Riot can't promise to listen, because that will open the floodgates to people having expectations when they post something on the boards. Not all people in opposition are correct, regardless of how flawless their argument skills may be.

PermabannedGaren8/25/2016, 5:33:38 PM4 votes

If Riot said they were wrong about the Vel'koz rework they were wrong to do so. He's far better and more interesting than he was before.

The whiners were 100% wrong.

Princess Íncest8/26/2016, 2:40:37 AM3 votes

riot just doesn't want their game to lose all their playesr. they still only half assed it. You don't see Solo q in the scrub ELO's do you?