Remember when QSS was considered an OP item?

RainbowIcee·Feb 1, 2018·19 votes·2,578 views

When you went out of your way and caught the ADC off guard because of a mistake they made or they stepped out of position and you caught them with a good CC but then they and it was like damn! that's some OP ass item but at least i have them waste an item slot even though they're nullifying an important part of my kit.

Now the item completes into , giving movement speed. 65 attack dmg, 35 magic resist! , AND 10% life steal. It still removes CC ( except for some suppression) but still basically nullifies some champions kit while still giving them full benefit of the item slot, a buff and sustain. People still don't build it and riot has spoiled the fuck out of AD carries.

31 Comments

Bob the ToastrFeb 1, 201813 votes

Unfortunately, more and more of the recent cc is just displacements, which can't be QSS'ed. Here are some of the recent ones.

Zoe: sleep (only half can be qss'ed) Ornn: 2 knockups Kayn: knockup Rakan: knockup New Galio: 2 knockups Ivern: Daisy has knockup Camille: has knockback Kled: has knockback A Sol: has knockback

There's just too many knockups and knockbacks in the game for QSS or mercurial to be strong anymore.

AmazoXFeb 1, 20187 votes

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Unfortunately, more and more of the recent cc is just displacements, which can't be QSS'ed. Here are some of the recent ones.

Zoe: sleep (only half can be qss'ed) Ornn: 2 knockups Kayn: knockup Rakan: knockup New Galio: 2 knockups Ivern: Daisy has knockup Camille: has knockback Kled: has knockback A Sol: has knockback

There's just too many knockups and knockbacks in the game for QSS or mercurial to be strong anymore.

Kayn? You mean Rhaast*

EnderspiderFeb 1, 20189 votes

whatever is left of kayn after he dies 10 times to the enemy ap garen top lane*

ChaosThiefFeb 2, 20184 votes

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whatever is left of kayn after he dies 10 times to the enemy ap garen top lane*

This sounds like it has a story behind it...

Bob the ToastrFeb 1, 20184 votes

No, I mean Edgy McEdgeboy extra edgy version.

Daedric EtwahlFeb 1, 20186 votes

item 3031

BlåbæretFeb 2, 20181 votes

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Kayn? You mean Rhaast*

And no one gives a shit.

MordepoolFeb 1, 201811 votes

No point now. if you get hit by CC and activate it you still die. It's an all or nothing game

RainbowIceeFeb 1, 20183 votes

with the amount of heals,shields in the game? no way you would die if you stay out of the front line. I think we're at a point were ADC's get themselves killed or their team just outright doesn't care for them.

PhantomGGFeb 1, 20185 votes

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No point now. if you get hit by CC and activate it you still die. It's an all or nothing game

I find it works like this

item 3140 :amazing and will win you the game if the enemy team only has 1-2 cc abilities you care about, but if you are facing a comp like

Maokai Annie Morgana , than qss is completely useless, for your just gonna use qss just to get ccd again immediately after.

item 3026 is an amazing item when dealing with a comp that has only one hard core burst champion your afraid of

item 2420 Proves to be highly effective against teams with abilities you sim ply just want to flat out dodge, at the moment I think Stasis is probably the best way to avoid death from teams with lots of cc and burst.

BarkleyFeb 1, 20181 votes

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No point now. if you get hit by CC and activate it you still die. It's an all or nothing game

This. SO much this. I almost never buy QSS anymore because there's just no goddamn point to it. If I do buy it, I'm buying it for the MR against poke champions, not for the CC-nullifying active.

TheDeviceFeb 2, 20181 votes

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No point now. if you get hit by CC and activate it you still die. It's an all or nothing game

Its either busted or its not.

People are literally supporting it being busted and it not being busted enough

Pretty sure people just want to complain at this point.

HibHibFeb 1, 20187 votes

It was also considered op back in the day because it could remove things like Zed and Fiora ult, as well as the stacks on any 3 hit passive, its been way more situational ever since its nerf

Tails9016Feb 2, 20181 votes

back in the day because it could remove things like Zed and Fiora ult

Aight, seen that around

as well as the stacks on any 3 hit passive

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HibHibFeb 3, 20181 votes

Ye, like say you had 2 stacks of vaynes silver bolts on you, you were able to qss it and it would make her have to stack them up again. Was somewhat niche but def won many people clutch 1v1's

BjørnetjenestenFeb 1, 20186 votes

Now the item completes into , giving movement speed. 65 attack dmg, 35 magic resist! , AND 10% life steal. It still removes CC ( except for some suppression) but still basically nullifies some champions kit while still giving them full benefit of the item slot, a buff and sustain. People still don't build it and riot has spoiled the fuck out of AD carries.

V1.0.0.152 Added Recipe: Quicksilver Sash item Quicksilver Sash + B. F. Sword item B. F. Sword + Gold 600 = Gold 3810 +60 attack damage +45 magic resist UNIQUE ACTIVE – QUICKSILVER: Removes all debuffs from your champion. If your champion is Melee, this item also grants 50% bonus Movement Speed for 1 second - 90 second cooldown.

I dont know what you mean by "now", but Its been a **looong **time since this item was added...

Btw. Every class have some unique item that has stats catered around what they need to succeed. For example: Mages have item 3157 (AP, Armor and CDR), Tanks have item 3193 (LITTERALLY MORE THAN DOUBLES THEIR STATS), and assassins, skirmishers & bruisers can also buy item 3139 and benefit from the stats and active, without loosing much power.

I hate to say this, but people like you are ruining the boards. You try to run with this onesided narrative that ADC's are being babied by riot and that everything is only designed around them in mind, which is clearly a lie. How about you start taking responsibility for your own games, instead of blaming everything on outside circumstances, everytime you loose with a bruiser or whatever the hell you play in silver for 3 seasons straight.

RainbowIceeFeb 1, 20182 votes

ah yes, the elilist jerk. BTW i have a good standing and positive stats on skarner so your desperate assumption as to what this was about fails. I'm honestly complaining about players that don't use it when it's such a strong beneficial item and yes i do generally think it's unfair for them to have it, but since it does they should just use it.

Anyways not all bruisers can use it that's like saying any champ can technically use any item but who get's the most benefit from them? who was the item designed for?

Also you're a coward using a fake profile to browse the forums, grow a pair and use your real profile to look you up before you badmouth other players based on stats, chicken.

BjørnetjenestenFeb 1, 20182 votes

Every champion with decent AD ratios can use item 3139 , and benefit from it. Examples are Tryndamere , Yasuo , Zed , MasterYi , Camille , . Sure they are not tanky bruisers. But those guys have item 3053 and item 3193 + any other tank item that can fit in their build.

Most adcs would rather build item 3072 , unless they are completely forced (heavy cc comps). It provides much better combat stats on paper and definitely more sustain in longer fights which is every adc's wet dream. Thats why mercurial is a niche item, and its supposed to be for special occasions when there are cc abilities that are unavoidable/ really hard to dodge.

This is my real profile on my main account. My point is that your post is encouraging a false narrative, that makes this board toxic af. Look at the top post last few weeks, all been either "nerf adc" or "nerf vayne" threads. I cant even make rational arguments before people start calling me names.

Yets4240Feb 1, 20183 votes

You're conveniently forgetting the fact that almost NO ONE BOUGHT THE ITEM for the next 2 years until RIOT decided their item to help melee fighters compete with ranged, and survive CC in teamfights should be instead buffed up so ranged ADCs could abuse it instead, just like they've done with BotRK several times, as well as Sterak's Gauge, Maw of Malmortious (which still can't stack with SG like originally intended due to RADC abuse) BC in several of its iterations, Ghost Blade even, and who could forget the on-hit ADCs abusing Guinsoo's and it being remade for them, or Death's Dance being retooled for them, I mean seriously, the list goes on, and on and on, and oh hey, did you forget about GA recently?

Back to MS, it wasn't used, was purchased less than Zephyr, that is, until RIOT makes it a ranged ADC item instead:

"V4.10

Combine cost increased to Gold 700 from Gold 600.
    Total cost increased to Gold 3800 from Gold 3700. 
***AD increased to 80 from 60.***
*Movement speed on active now also applies to ****ranged**** champions.* "

Where they dropped the part where ranged couldn't abuse it (as it was originally designed to help out MELEE fighters and MADCs (now Skirmishers) actually compete despite the limitations of being melee, thus in range of more CC and AoE magic damage, hence why it also gave them some lifesteal so they could survive there, but not enough AD to be worth getting on say, a ranged ADC over another pure damage item. They then increased the attack damage by a whopping 33% for a measly 100g increase (note, 20AD is worth 700g, so it was 1/7th the price it should be, on top of also removing the ranged penalty) so that ADCs would actually not have to sacrifice damage, nor utility on the item, but get their cleanse, magic resist, lifesteal, extra movement speed, AND A FULL ITEMS WORTH OF AD, from what was designed to be an item to equalize the ranged differential and help melee ADs compete with ranged.

So uh, what was that bullshit you were trying to say about "You try to run with this onesided [sic] narrative that. . ." you clearly biased ranged cancer player?

BjørnetjenestenFeb 1, 20182 votes

Nah, most adc still bought qss and schimitar before the removal of the range penalty.

Answer this: If you play as adc, what is the counterplay to Malzahar, Vi or Skarner flashing in and ulti you during late/midgame teamfights? What do you do if you qss, and enemy instantly follow up with more cc/dmg? ** Everyone** needs the movespeed after cleansing so they at least have time/opportunity to dodge follow up cc/dmg. Otherwise there would be no counterplay, and lategame teamfights would be far too easy to decide.

Also the 80 AD buff, was basically reverted (65 now) and the item is now 3600 gold, providing sub optimal stats for adc's in compensation for the cleanse-effect. In most situations bloodthirster Or Maw... probably even Death Dance are better defensive items for adc's.

Most skirmishers and assassins today have enough mobility in their kit and items, to negate the so called "limitation" so i dont know what you are rambling about here.

item 3157 : AP champions with: Active, AP, Armor and CDR item 3053 : MELEE bruisers/skirmishers with: HP, Base AD, Tenacity, and more range (size) item 3193 : Tanks with: More 80 Armor+MR and Potentially thousands of gold worth in HP item 3814 : Assassins and Divers with: An active spell shield, 18 lethality (same ammount as other items), HP and AD item 3026 : All AD champs with 40 AD and a second chance. (Can be used by bruisers, assassins, skirmishers AND adcs)

You cant tell me this game is biased to adc, when every single class has some kind of defensive item, with offensive stats built in. Bruisers/Skirmisher can even doubledip and take defensive items from both ADC-Class and Tank-Class.

FirewaterDMFeb 2, 20182 votes

I mean sure except that Zhonya's outside of the active- which unlike the others gives virtually 0 chance to escape (GA's like that too but they made it worthless for AP champs to build with the shift) AP's are far worse than AD's cause outside of Gargoyle AD's can use all of them + are able to use the stats.

Zhonya's stats are ass and the active isn't enough to make up for the fact that AD champs and tanks get multiple options, AP champs have one mediocre one.

BjørnetjenestenFeb 3, 20182 votes

Completely agree with you here, ap items are shit

EnderspiderFeb 1, 20182 votes

I build it. Even on champions like ekko at times if I really need it. I must say that people should prioritize it more though, getting a QSS before they get their 3rd crit item. Also it can get rid of supressions, its summoner 1 that can't.

Project omenFeb 1, 20182 votes

Also, if you use QSS and then complete the item, the active's cooldown gets refreshed.

DuskDaUmbreonFeb 1, 20181 votes

There are better items, and QSS just ends up not being...enough.

It only really works into teams with one big CC ability (Think Ashe R or Morgana Q). It doesn't really work into anything else. And, generally, if you get hit by an ability like those, you'll die anyways, because it does so much more damage.

At this point, it's dodge, stat check, or die. You either dodge the burst, are able to ignore the burst (either because you're an assassin or burst mage and killed everyone, or you're a tank, and nothing's killing you in less than 10 seconds, or you're an ADC into another ADC, and you out DPS+Sustain them), or you're dead. Those are your only options. QSS? It doesn't do enough at this point. 10% sustain isn't that much, 35 mr isn't that much on a squishy, 65 AD is a good amount, but less than the other big-ticket AD items. And the cleanse just isn't...that great, since if you're hit by the CC you're going to die regardless.

Daddy AntsFeb 1, 20181 votes

I love spending 3400 on a item 3139 only to QSS a CC, get CC'd again and die.

Worthwhile investment.

SõnaFeb 2, 20181 votes

How about adding some tenacity buff into it like providing 2-3 seconds of 50% tenacity duration after activating it?

Would it help?

xelakerFeb 2, 20181 votes

2-3 is the time it takes to explode in league right now lol. might as well have the passive be: confetti comes out of your body after you die.

BarkleyFeb 2, 20181 votes

u guys member when u could stack sunfire capes on malphite?

I member.

General Esdeath Feb 2, 20181 votes

Pretty sure QSS completed into MS since like, season 1 or 2...

RootloFeb 2, 20181 votes

QSS was op when it removed every cc you had on you at the time. You could press it and remove Zed ult, Vi ult, Darius blead stacks for his ult, Diana Q mark, Akali Q mark, Teemo/Quinn Blind, Vayne 3 hit passive Ect.... Then they nerfed it to make it only remove CC and spending 1300 gold just to take away cc every minute and a half is stupid.