Anyone scared to see their favorite champions reworked?

RainbowIcee··68 votes·4,411 views

Mine are Evelynn (rip) Fiddlesticks Nocturne And rammus who i actually really want them to rework.

I know rework usually make the champ more meta for more people to wanna use and not to cather for the niche player base that likes them. Just making conversation here.

224 Comments

Valeckserai17 votes

Mine are Karthus TahmKench Yorick

Yorick already got his rework. I miss old Yorick a lot, but I really like the new one too. It's very different, but certainly not bad. Old Yorick I'd just sit in lane spamming heal ghoul, never dying, building full tank after item 3043, and still dealing highest damage in the game because fuck you I'm Yorick and you got near me. New Yorick is awesome in his own right though. Oh, you backed and don't have teleport? Thanks for the two free towers sucker. While I'm sad that the old is gone forever, I'm certainly happy enough to play the new one.

TahmKench Wouldn't really mind too much if some of his stuff was changed around. His ultimate can go in my opinion. Change it as much as you want Rito, I don't care about it. It's useful... but meh at best. E COULD see changes that I wouldn't mind, but it would need to be something else that also made him tanky in exchange. Pasive, Q, and W I refuse to budge on though, these are what make me love the champion the way that he is and I want to keep them forever.

Karthus though? Fuck off, stay away, no. Leave my undying, skittle throwing, Trump supporting, standing next to you to slowly kill you, homing tactical nuke launching death pope alone. He's beautiful the way that he is.

WEREW0LF5 votes

Karthus though? Fuck off, stay away, no. Leave my undying, skittle throwing, Trump supporting, standing next to you to slowly kill you, homing tactical nuke launching death pope alone. He's beautiful the way that he is.

lol

Wheatloaf14 votes

Karthus: Sometimes what you need from your mid laner is just more damage.

OceanicEyes3 votes

100% agreed on Tahm. E and R I could see being changed in the future, but the rest of his kit is great the way it is.

Votable Jester13 votes

I'm both excited and scared for the Morg update.

I really hope they keep her viable mid (unlike Zyra rip).

An Undead brat6 votes

She still is tho

She only gets hits cuz of support pussies, but she's still pretty strong there

Votable Jester4 votes

Her AP ratios feel pretty bad, and her plants (a large part of her damage) have become so much less reliable.

She's also so much more susceptible to ganks, mobile assassins, and poke in mid lane than in bot. It just doesn't feel worth it.

An Undead brat4 votes

As always, except for the mobile assassin meta that was always her problem I don't have any issue with the rest, but it might only be my HUGE experience with Zyra

OverpoweredSoap13 votes

Karma.

Traumatically stares out a rain drenched window

Retrauk9 votes

I come with a story. A story of a man that was once one of the mythical few who called themselves Galio mains. That man was me. I knew how to use his strengths to their best, and I love both his personality and lore. Playing a Gargoyle just seemed so neat to me, even if few others seemed to share my opinion. I was content to be one of few people to enjoy the tanky support-mage that was Galio.

Then a rework was announced. I was excited at first, I knew Galio was dated both in the way he played and with how he looked. I was hopeful this rework would do the great stone gargoyle justice! I was confident... Nay, I was convinced this would be a great thing for me and my favorite champion! But I was horribly wrong.

When I first saw the teaser for the new Galio I became worried. This didn't look much like the Galio I knew... But it was a teaser! I didn't see the full horror of it all until he was fully revealed. What I saw was not Galio, but a brand new champion with Galio's name. He had little to nothing of what I loved in the old Galio. His look was changed, his lore was changed, his personality was changed. He was not the Galio I knew anymore.

Truly, I believe this new Galio was a wonderful addition to the game however! His lore was fantastic, his look was nice, his personality was entertaining... But he is not Galio. He is not a gargoyle. He is not a tragic character grieving over being unable to protect his creator. He is not a wise, but witty grotesque statue. He is a great colossus who is heroic and legendary.

But I will never stop missing the champion they removed from the game under the guise of a rework. I will never forget the champion I once loved and mained. I will always remember the real Galio.

no to toxic5 votes

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I come with a story. A story of a man that was once one of the mythical few who called themselves Taric player. That man was Fabio. Fabio knew how to use Taric strengths to their best, and Fabio loved both his personality and lore. Playing a ugly 3D model just seemed so neat to Fabio, even if few others seemed to share his opinion. Fabio was content to be one of few people to enjoy the tanky tank-armor loving-tank-tank that was Taric.

Then a rework was announced. Fabio was excited at first, he knew Taric was dated both in the way he played and with his looks. Fabio was hopeful this rework would do the outrageos pile of crap justice! Fabio was confident... Nay, Fabio was convinced this would be a great thing for him and his favorite champion! But Fabio was right again..

When he first saw the teaser for the new Taric he became happy. This did look much like the Taric he knew... But it was a teaser! Fabio didn't see the full glory of it all until he was fully revealed. What he saw was not Taric, but himself. He had everything what he loved about himself. His look was changed, his lore was changed, his personality was the same. He was the Taric he knew.

Truly, he believe this new Taric was a wonderful addition to the game however! His lore was fantastic, his look was nice, his personality was entertaining... But he Taric. He is not Fabio. He is not the standard name you give too extremly handsome man. He is handsome but he is not Fabio. .

But Fabio stopped missing the champion they removed from the game in under a weekt. Fabio forgot the champion Fabio once loved and mained. Fabio doesn`t even know what Taric once looked like.

Retrauk2 votes

I feel like something wonderful has been created here.

Comrade Napoleon8 votes

they already trashed Mordekaiser fucked the old Shaco now im hoping they dont touch Singed

TyrekGoldenspear7 votes

Azir

Nope.

Mecha MaIphite6 votes

Talon rework I enjoyed a lot. I didn't play old Galio but I like his new kit; though I see why people are complaining it's too different.

I'm actually excited for Malphite; no matter what they do, it can't be worse than this boring R bot we have right now.

Catastrop5 votes

Definitely, I can only shudder to think what would come of Leblanc if she...wait, okay then if Syndra was rewo.....if Karma was oh....Shen? oh yeah, his rework was a thing too...sigh.

I'm just grateful Cassiopeia and Katarina are still fun. Also the fact that Lissandra seems to be in the clear.

RainbowIcee7 votes

I was actually looking forward to the lissandra passive changes though. I'm sad they took them out. Though on paper it did seem really powerful.

Sad Tyrant5 votes

They already touched Veigar for the better Poppy was great until being nerfed in the way i play her they already reworked Xerath twice (Once before i started playing him and the MYMU) I'm scared for Morgana's mid lane They could of done Talon's E better I'm a little worried about Pantheon Zac I'm extremely worried about what they are currently doing

FilDaFunk5 votes

Mine was the old Karma I absolutely loved her Q and E - she had nice damage and was difficult to kill and worked so well with slippery ADCs such as Ezreal However, with all the cc now in the game, I doubt she would've worked. Shame.

Recently, Leblanc had her w made (figuratively) useless. Her instant burst and run removed, forcing her to wait for 1.5 sec.

Now I only have Lulu Lux Ahri left.

Skins Project4 votes

Let's see......

Started with

Fiora then... Yorick... then... Talon then... Akali....

Well....

think yah get where I'm coming from..

VoraciousX4 votes

Still don't want Evelynn to have some damn tentacles, and yes, she's one of my favorite champions.

PokladnicaZla2 votes

I'm more bothered by the fact that's going to be naked.I mean why does an assassin who goes invisible and kills someone up close need to be nearly naked? She doesn't even have to seduce them or anything Source:current lore that's going to get demolished once they rework her.

Chaos6891 votes

You could ask that about 90% of female champs in the game...

PokladnicaZla2 votes

While,I doubt it's as high as 90% ,myb ~50% of the female champions. I think the leaker mentioned nearly naked.Like seriously?

Warlord Dienekes4 votes

I'm terrified, I basically one-trick Pantheon. Hell, I was originally introduced to playing the game by a friend as I could play a Spartan and kill monsters. How cool is that?

Everything that Riot has hinted at with the rework is pushing him away from the awesome hoplite stuff, more toward the lame god of war/space parasite nonsense they turned him into with the lore rewrites.

I just know there's going to be lame space-y particle effects, a new utterly impractical outfit that looks like crap, and a bunch of lines about how he's a god or some crap.

All I want is just to play my Spartan.

Stand in my X2 votes

youre a bad person for maining pantheon

Warlord Dienekes3 votes

Maybe. But you have to remember I was maining him before patch 1.0.0.123. When he was in the running for worst champion in the game, his Q started with next to no damage, didn't get crits from low health enemies, and his E was actually weaker than just auto-attacking making it a near useless ability.

Only thing we had going for us Panth mains was our ult was actually global.

It's actually been kind of interesting to watch his rise. So much of the game has been changed for it to happen, from the quicker game lengths, and definitely the item changes. Used to only have Brutalizer then scraping together some items that half work on him but were clearly meant for either ADCs or tanks. Now Youmuu's, Black Cleaver, and more just work so perfectly.

AbiwonKenabi4 votes

Yeah I don't like what they did with Pantheon's lore. "Oh, let's explain this huge long backstory about how he scaled the mountain and why...lol just kidding, he got taken over by some cosmic entity." Like, what? How is that gonna work with Pantheon's old personality? Why wouldn't they just make Pantheon an honorary title and let the poor man keep his backstory? Seems strange.

Warlord Dienekes4 votes

I know, right? And all of the Targ champions are like this to greater and lesser degrees. Hell the old lores were building to a confrontation of religions and a change of the hierarchy of the entire mountain.

The new lore says "fuck all that" and instead focuses on a damn space empire that comes out of nowhere in the end of all the lores. That's way less interesting.

And really annoying, I actually liked Atreus. It showed the troubles of going through an agoge system. He had drive, it was a bit cliched but whatever. And the scene on top of the mountain where his only friend dies and the very gods abandon him? That was actually a pretty powerful scene.

But then, nope. He dies and a space parasite possesses his body. What horseshit.

Big Lincoln3 votes

Sejuani worried how this is going to play out. we'll see the results of it tomorrow

Melledoneus3 votes

{quoted} I know rework usually make the champ more meta for more people to wanna use and not to cather for the niche player base that likes them.

Usually. Then we have Shen, who will soon approach .00036% play rate.

And I can't speak for Yorick because nobody remembers him.

DonatellaVersace3 votes

I was happy about Leblanc rework...and then she was released.

TimX24968B3 votes

i would hate to see either Tryndamere or Garen touched.

An Undead brat7 votes

They'll get touched for sure because of how statchecky and binary they are.

no to toxic2 votes

How is Tryndamere "statchecky"(<-dont use this word pls). Tryndamere is the opposite of stat checking. because of his ult he cheats the stat check part of the game. Garen is very much a stat check champion. But that is due to the nature of his kit, not allowing him to fail his combo. I would argue that Irelia is a bigger stat checker due to her kit being purely made out of free stats.

Oleandervine7 votes

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How is Tryndamere "statchecky"(<-dont use this word pls). Tryndamere is the opposite of stat checking. because of his ult he cheats the stat check part of the game. Garen is very much a stat check champion. But that is due to the nature of his kit, not allowing him to fail his combo. I would argue that Irelia is a bigger stat checker due to her kit being purely made out of free stats.

Tryndamere is super statchecky. He has relatively little in his kit that does anything more than extra damage, and he's always checking his HP to see if he is currently a crit-hit god at any given point in time. His only method of murdering people is critting them to death, and relatively not much else.

Kieferr3 votes

Sucks they have to rework sejuani. She had arguably the most satisfying and rewarding ult in the game. Gonna miss those plays badly.

Çhåryzård3 votes

Only one I'm worried about is Sona

I feel like they're going to touch her again soon..

gileskd3 votes

50/50 for me, depends on how its done I played taric and galio before their reworks

taric before his rework I would either play an aggressive support, or aggressive top laner (trying to do as much damage as possible) but after his rework he is more of a babysitter than a fighter (damage was removed from his w and his r) now his only damage is his e and auto attacks.

then there is galio they deleted him, made a new champ, and slapped the name on he was the only champ that got damage from building magic resist, he now walks around instead of flying to move around, and riot even said they "Increased his size from a gargoyle to that of a colossus. as an ex-galio main, that champ is not galio, (I hereby reference him as oilag)

riot turned the champions you know and love into someone else, (like an old friend that you havnt seen for a while, and they changed quite a lot, and you don't like it/feel uncomfortable with this stranger)

and that is my 2 cents

Linna Excel3 votes

TBH I'm starting to think riot's reworks are aimed at people who don't play the champ instead of the people who do play the champ.

TimX24968B2 votes

thats what happens when the playrate is less than 1%, though.

Nuparu2 votes

I had so much faith. I was let down tremendously.

RIP Rengar, just as cancer to the enemy but twice as unsatisfying as watching paint dry for the player.

Reiyalin2 votes

Irelia main for several seasons who cringes every time riot is like SHE MUST BE REWORKED. When there are many other champs in worse states (many of those post some rework.... The irony huh?) I don't want Irelia to look flashy with spinning floating blades everywhere if she's doomed to be either pick/ban or useless.

Elikain1 votes

I used to be an Eve one trick back when Magus enchantment was in the game. Eve's performance for me has been declining ever since jungle enchantments have changed multiple times and Eve's subsequent nerfs to "balance" her out. I understand that she needed them but her builds aren't good any way you look at them. So i simply stopped playing her about 2 years ago. FeeslBadMan

Considering that i loved every Rework Riot has done in the past (even for champions that i don't play myself), i don't have a reason to believe Riot will fuck it up. The Rework process has the same dedicated resources and time constraint as new champions so essentially, Riot IS making a new champion with a preexisting template. They're not half-assing the effort. With the Rework in mind, i am fully aware that Eve's lore is likely to change (finally moving out of her "assassin for hire" trope) as well as her VO and model.

If Riot correctly identfitied Eve's core pillars that they rebuilt her upon, i wouldn't care if her look from what we have now changes. If she works and there's a thematic cohesiveness in her kit + lore, i welcome new Eve with open arms. That's how i feel.

#I'm pretty stoked about her soon™ rework.

#Morgana

I am now a support Morgana main and Riot has said they would like to do an eventual duo update to Kayle and Morgana. I can't find anything wrong with Morg's current kit but even if it works, it's pretty OK. Just OK. She isn't anything special/flashy that you can complain about/praise. And that's the issue. I feel the same thing as with Eve. If Riot identifies Morgana's core pillars correctly, rebuilding her around them would give us an improved Morgana that everyone is already familiar with.

You can't really express your mastery as a Morgana player outside of only being good at predicting the Q bindings really well. And that's a skill that's pretty easily acquired. New Morgana players have ~7% higher win rate with her than masterful players with 200+ games on her. That's pretty wrong in my opinion. This means that Morgana currently isn't a good champion to one trick in general as you play her more, you run into a wall.

Considering that Xayah and Rakan were released in pairs (two champions), i think Riot has fair experience on duo releases so Kayle and Morgana wouldn't look like experiments.

GrReaper962 votes

AD Eve item 3748 item 3078 item 3153 is pretty good right now since the botrk buffs.

The only thing i want to stay on eve is her passive and one on-hit proc spell. The others can be changed, especially her rather lame ult

Krazydigg3r1 votes

Galio rework triggered me for the fact they removed his signature move, his ult. New Galio looks better, but they just had to remove his ult, which is why people played him. As a malphite main, I am downright scared for his rework knowing they could turn him into a whole new champion.

GrReaper961 votes

Galio is and Poppy are probably the most changed rework champions out of all

Cookimonster3162 votes

Somebody is forgetting about SIon

Friendly Ram1 votes

Braum can you even find anything wrong with his kit.

TyrekGoldenspear2 votes

Not enough goat's milk.

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