@Meddler: If Summoner Tibbers had a travel time (ala Corki's Phosphorus Bomb)...

darkdill·Apr 13, 2015·7 votes·1,070 views

Annie's ultimate is one of the more problematic AOE stuns in the game at the moment because it has no travel time. All Annie has to do is Flash in, ult your team, and there's no way to avoid it because no one is ever going to react fast enough to Annie's Flash. Only chance you've got is if you Flashed preemptively (which is not advised).

A while back, Corki's Q had a similar problem: it was undodgeable, so it had to be short-ranged and gated by mana. Then his Q got a travel time and it was allowed to be upgraded.

Now, let's just hypothesize for now: What if Annie's ultimate had a travel time? Would that enable her to receive buffs? And if so, what buffs would be appropriate for her to receive?

EDIT: Think about it before you downvote. Do you like being on the receiving end of a Tibbers ult?

27 Comments

SalidfingersApr 13, 20153 votes

It is not as problematic as people make it out to be.

What is problematic is people acting like they should get close to annie.

Earlier today i faced an annie mid. I wrecked her early game, but our underfed Vayne apparently liked to try and 1v1 her every chance she could get and just proceeded to feed and feed.

Then she proceeded to blame Annie is a OP champion and then blamed everyone for feeding her when she was the one always dying to her.

This is what i see all the time when people complain about annie. Annie is walking to you then you walk away. Oh wait annie has flash, then assume she always has flash and stay further away. Let the big boys take care of the little girl for you.

darkdillApr 13, 20152 votes

Well it shouldn't be a case of "if you're X, you can't fight Annie" so much. Giving Tibbers a travel time would give more counterplay. And since Annie's ultimate would be less reliable, she'd be allowed some compensation buffs.

Although you are right that Vayne, by no means, should EVER approach Annie 1v1, it shouldn't be a scenario where Vayne has a 100% certainty of dying. Vayne should at least have a slight chance if she can dodge Tibbers.

ReikkenApr 13, 20151 votes

Lategame, if Vayne has a QSS/Cleanse and some MR, she can win.

DrCabesApr 13, 20151 votes

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What is problematic is people acting like they should get close to annie.

Remember when... Veigar

SalidfingersApr 13, 20152 votes

What is it to stop annie from a flash Q or W.

People will always get caught.

Edit:

Also most mages can compete with annie. It really is who ever gets caught.

Play someone like Vlad, Cho, Swain if you want a safer pick.

Run runes ap resis reds, ap resis blues, and HP scales yellows with AP quinns. This little setup up actually can out trade and bully annie out easy.

I prefer Vlad, because you can just clear and push her under tower then roam bot while she is stuck trying to clear waves or trying to chicken pick a tower

darkdillApr 13, 20151 votes

My argument is unwinnable, isn't it...?

DrCabesApr 13, 20151 votes

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People will always get caught

Those were the days Veigar item 3070

IcyPepperApr 13, 20151 votes

What is it to stop annie from a flash Q or W.

One is single target, the other... not sure that can quite hit an entire enemy team :/

Not the same magnitude of her ult at ult. That's like comparing Taric's stun with a flash.

SalidfingersApr 13, 20152 votes

No. you will get your nerf. Just a matter of when.

It being deserving i dont think it is.

darkdillApr 13, 20151 votes

It's not so much how Annie can delete one opponent without them being able to do anything: it's that Tibbers is AOE. That means if the enemy team gets clumped up for even a split second, she Flash-ults them and the enemy team gets aced without being able to try and scatter.

SalidfingersApr 13, 20152 votes

People should always consider banshee veil.

Plus wait till you see a pure AP Malphite in action. He is my next pick once annie is nerfed

darkdillApr 13, 20151 votes

I've seen a lot of AP Malphites in URF. OUCH. PAINFUL.

But the thing about AP Malphite is that poke mages wreck him. Syndra, Ziggs, and Xerath can all dismantle him before he can get into a good ult position.

ReikkenApr 13, 20151 votes

the exact same applies to Annie Flash Tibbers has the same range as Unstoppable Force. almost EXACTLY the same and neither champ has any ranged poke or mobility to dodge poke. Malphite actually has a little more since he can Q a minion for some movement speed

DrCabesApr 13, 20151 votes

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People should always consider banshee veil.

Good ole days... Veigar

SalidfingersApr 13, 20152 votes

Flash + Ult

RenailleApr 13, 20152 votes

ult your team, and there's no way to avoid it

Not group up, buy a banshees?

SalidfingersApr 14, 20152 votes

I have seen all aoe mages get penta's by pushing (R) so to me there no difference. Just different play style.

DanofDemaciaApr 13, 20151 votes

With the rise of tanks mages and assassins aren't even a problem anymore.

darkdillApr 13, 20151 votes

It's partially because of AOE mages like Annie that tanks made a rise. Leona, for instance, can survive Annie's burst while supports like Janna and Nami can't. That's why squishy supports and mages have fallen off a bit.

DanofDemaciaApr 13, 20151 votes

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It's partially because of AOE mages like Annie that tanks made a rise. Leona, for instance, can survive Annie's burst while supports like Janna and Nami can't. That's why squishy supports and mages have fallen off a bit.

Aoe mages like annie lol. There are no other aoe mages like annie.

SalidfingersApr 13, 20152 votes

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Aoe mages like annie lol. There are no other aoe mages like annie.

Orianna, Lux, Lissandra, Viktor, Ziggs and more can all AOE better or harder then annie

DanofDemaciaApr 13, 20151 votes

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Orianna, Lux, Lissandra, Viktor, Ziggs and more can all AOE better or harder then annie

Yes mages and aoe but like Annie? Vikot probably comes closest but still doesn't compare.

KingsgraveApr 14, 20151 votes

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Yes mages and aoe but like Annie? Vikot probably comes closest but still doesn't compare.

Brand is probably the most similar of the AoE mages not only because he is also a Pyromancer.

DanofDemaciaApr 14, 20151 votes

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Brand is probably the most similar of the AoE mages not only because he is also a Pyromancer.

Ehh he has a single target stun and his ovs arent even similar and when i meant like annie meant as in power level / fighting potential.

ReikkenApr 14, 20151 votes

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Aoe mages like annie lol. There are no other aoe mages like annie.

item 3089 Malphite

Edge of DaybreakApr 14, 20151 votes

Riot would have to make her stun not be consumed by spellshields or have it ignore the banshees if they want tibbers to have more counterplay in its current form since she loses too much to an item being built with 0 ways to play around it.

I don't like being on the receiving end of tibbers. I don't like being on the receiving thing of anything outside of a heal or victory screen.

If tibbers had a travel time annie would need actual range to compete with other mages who can easily poke her out of lane. Or she would need some form of mobility since it is currently too easy to avoid her when her flash is down or worse her flash is down and the opponent has banshees.

KingsgraveApr 14, 20151 votes

If it had longer range this would be justified. Same with changing her Q to a skillshot.