Been playing alot of Ekko and I'd like a QoL change please.

ApexInTheCircle·Mar 26, 2018·80 votes·8,422 views

Can your own team see where your W is placed so they can make plays around it?

79 Comments

RiotplaytestpenguinMar 26, 201843 votes

uh....

your teammates can see this...

rastarogueMar 26, 201818 votes

While in general you are correct, it shows for allies at the same time as it shows for enemies, so allies can't see the first second or so. I believe he is asking for allies to have the same indicator (ie the whole time) as Ekko gets.

RiotplaytestpenguinMar 26, 201832 votes

I'm fairly certain that allies get the indicator the whole way through. Here's my comparison that I just tested on my machine (as in I am both the ekko and the ahri: rito black magic!)

https://imgur.com/a/jOkqD

As far as I can tell, as soon as Ekko presses the button both he & his allies get the VFX. I have never had any issues playing around my allied Ekko's stuns in the past, so personally am unsure as to why we have different viewpoints.

Spicy RiceMar 26, 201811 votes

A WITCH

Wait, do you weigh the same as a duck?

RaiyzaMar 26, 20181 votes

You get an upvote for that reference.

Thak you sir.

RUN AWAYYYY!

Variable ÆMar 26, 20186 votes

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I'm fairly certain that allies get the indicator the whole way through. Here's my comparison that I just tested on my machine (as in I am both the ekko and the ahri: rito black magic!)

https://imgur.com/a/jOkqD

As far as I can tell, as soon as Ekko presses the button both he & his allies get the VFX. I have never had any issues playing around my allied Ekko's stuns in the past, so personally am unsure as to why we have different viewpoints.

It might just be that the ring is a bit hard to see at first. At least it is in that screenshot.

This isn't an issue for Ekko himself since the Ekko player knows where they put their W.

ShadowParkerMar 26, 20183 votes

SPEAKING OF QOLS

Can Taliyah q on worked ground when she has enough mana for it but not when she isn't on worked ground?

Currently if she has no mana and gets enough for the half cost of a single q she can't cast it until she gets enough mana for the full q despite being on worked ground.

B0OMMar 26, 201819 votes

That’s not QoL, that’s a buff.

Currently the cost of her Q on Worked Ground is refunded, not reduced. That’s by design.

RiotplaytestpenguinMar 26, 201818 votes

Correct. Important distinction, good eye

SaezioMar 26, 20183 votes

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SPEAKING OF QOLS

Can Taliyah q on worked ground when she has enough mana for it but not when she isn't on worked ground?

Currently if she has no mana and gets enough for the half cost of a single q she can't cast it until she gets enough mana for the full q despite being on worked ground.

Oh then maybe kassadin with Pressence of mind should cast everything even at low mana because it won't cost anyway. Or since tear refunds 15% maybe just make all spells cheaper instead right? When its refund it means you have to spend it. Its like going to a shop that has a buy one get one free and you just want the get 1 free part but not the buy part.

50CaliberHecateMar 26, 20181 votes

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I'm fairly certain that allies get the indicator the whole way through. Here's my comparison that I just tested on my machine (as in I am both the ekko and the ahri: rito black magic!)

https://imgur.com/a/jOkqD

As far as I can tell, as soon as Ekko presses the button both he & his allies get the VFX. I have never had any issues playing around my allied Ekko's stuns in the past, so personally am unsure as to why we have different viewpoints.

Would you look into this forum for me? I wasn't sure when I'd get a response on the issue of my bug, but I'd thought I'd track down a Rioter to make sure it doesn't get missed ^^

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/bug-report/EmpHmb4R-if-youre-gonna-buff-ahris-charm-you-should-fix-her-hitbox-first-pictures-and-videos-inside

MelledoneusMar 27, 20181 votes

That looks a little faint, if I'm not wrong.

C9 Squeeky Mar 26, 201812 votes

Can they not already? Huh, well if they can't, I'll upvote this.

ApexInTheCircleMar 26, 20182 votes

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Can they not already? Huh, well if they can't, I'll upvote this.

Yeah my nasus was kiting an udyr and I was told that no one could see it being placed which perplexed me.

DivewingMar 26, 20188 votes

All of a sudden I'm not sure if my Ekko teammates were bad and didn't care about possibly dying, or were super trusting...

HibekiMar 26, 20187 votes

Can we not buff a turbo cancer mid in any form?

Lady HammerlockMar 26, 201835 votes

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Can we not buff a turbo cancer mid in any form?

It's called clarity, it's less of a buff and more of something that should be a part of the ability

A lot of abilities that serve a similar purpose to this W already provide the information to team mates, where as this one does not until it's about to pop

HibekiMar 26, 20184 votes

Adding clarity to someone who doesnt really need it is actually just a buff.

ApexInTheCircleMar 26, 201812 votes

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Adding clarity to someone who doesnt really need it is actually just a buff.

Imagine if you couldn't see where your ally Ryze or Tahm was ulting to. Clarity does matter.

FlemmanMar 26, 20181 votes

the problem is that it will add power in competitive play that will make him as problematic as ryze to balance

it's better to not take the risk of breaking the champ while the omw ping is enough for quick communication

TotalJerkMar 26, 20185 votes

How does that add power in competitive play? WTF. In competitive pros will relay over voice chat where they are sending the ability.

FlemmanMar 26, 20181 votes

reliability, you see the exact zone, you can play far better around it

we are talking about a basic ability here, not an ult indicator like panth/tham/ryze making it visible for allies will add the power to choose the perfect W to do the a move, that's a big change imo

HibekiMar 27, 20181 votes

Those two are not comparisons. That is vital information for you to know when working with that champion.

Ekko gives off an obvious warning hes going to do that, and using basic extrapolation skills you can have a pretty damn good guess what hes going to do, and before you have a chance to maneuver an enemy into it youll be able to see it already.

PoskeMar 26, 20187 votes

What makes you think that ekko doesnt need a buff?

Ekko is worse version of Le blanc and Ahri at its current state

His first Q can be countered by being behind CS His Q on the way back can be countered BY LITERALY GOING BACKWARDS REGGARDLESS OF MS His E is reliable.. YUPI His W is the most unreliable ability up to date His R is the most unreliable ultimate up to date

Every time I have ekko on my team I wanna dodge Every time there is ekko on enemy team I know I can even feed him and he ll still stay irelevant

HibekiMar 26, 201813 votes

100-0's you with hextech revolver

clears an entire wave with just Q and 3 autos

fucking .9 ap on passive

???

PoskeMar 26, 201812 votes

item 3145

Le blanc can 150-0 you with hextech revolver since unlike ekko she can actually proc this item twice due to her clone procing it to. Infact Le blanc is better abuser of every single item ekko builds.

Ap ratio on passive is irelevant since all of his abilities are unreliable. If he can E you and auto you afterwards I dont know what you are doing

Look mate I am challenger ap assassin main. There is no point in arguing me, take some notes

Snowman ArcMar 26, 20187 votes

When Challenger guy gives advice in silver boards and gets downvoted. Ah, these silver boards.

ApexInTheCircleMar 26, 20185 votes

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When Challenger guy gives advice in silver boards and gets downvoted. Ah, these silver boards.

He's not?

Snowman ArcMar 26, 20181 votes

He is.

ApexInTheCircleMar 26, 20181 votes

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He is.

No I mean he's not gettting downvoted.

Snowman ArcMar 27, 20181 votes

He was when I posted the comment. Also, his first comment is hidden.

ApexInTheCircleMar 27, 20181 votes

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He was when I posted the comment. Also, his first comment is hidden.

ahh my bad.

Pokemonred200Mar 26, 20182 votes

He's 450 LP in Challenger on EUNE. I take him pretty seriously looking at that.

PoskeMar 26, 20183 votes

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He's not?

Yes I am ? http://eune.op.gg/summoner/userName=poske

HibekiMar 27, 20181 votes

except leblanc also has a hell of a lot less survival tools and has a much bigger window of opportunity. All of Leblanc's tools need to be used in one way and not both. If she uses W to dodge damage, she doesnt damage people with it. Once her chain is gone, theres a window.

Ekko has no window. With egregious amounts of cdr going around his next ability is always gonna be up in 4 seconds, an he can use all of his abilities defensively while still also using them to pump damage on you.

Pump damage on you to get a massive movespeed to get away

Shield himself and stun you for extra damage at the same time

Become untargetable for a getaway/dodge and damage you at the same time.

Leblanc doesnt have these things.

Lets do some math here.

Assuming leblanc hits you with her entire combo (E mimic) at level 8, (4 points E, 1 Q, 2 W, 1 R) her base damage is 590 + 330% ap

Assuming Ekko hits you with the same (4 Q, 2 E, 1 W, 1 R) His base damage is 515, + 360% ap. Plus however many %missing hp attacks.

Thats also assuming ekko doesnt use an extra ability or two in the time it would take for both of your chains to detonate. So in reality, Ekko is gonna be a lot harder to play around, use all of his tools both defensively AND offensively (healing, shielding, dodging and stunning), while still having better mana costs, waveclear, and more damage.

Comparing him to leblanc is a pitiful analogy.

PoskeMar 27, 20182 votes

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except leblanc also has a hell of a lot less survival tools and has a much bigger window of opportunity. All of Leblanc's tools need to be used in one way and not both. If she uses W to dodge damage, she doesnt damage people with it. Once her chain is gone, theres a window.

Le blanc has highest window of opportunity in league. Tbh I dodge abilities and hit people with it in the same time, AOE is quite large you dont have to hit them with center of distortion

Ekko has no window. With egregious amounts of cdr going around his next ability is always gonna be up in 4 seconds, an he can use all of his abilities defensively while still also using them to pump damage on you.

I literaly wrote on this thread that the only reliable thing he has is E. try playing Ekko in really really high elo, nothing except fking E ever hits in high elo. Q on the way back, W and R probably have like 10% hitrate in Chall at most

Pump damage on you to get a massive movespeed to get away

Every time Ekko gets this MS, I am like what is the point you have to run and you only did 1 chunk which wont happen again..

Shield himself and stun you for extra damage at the same time

Never happens. At most his W is 2.5 second delayed shield. Maybe in 10vs10 game mode Ekko W would actually hit due to all the stuff going on in teamfights

Become untargetable for a getaway/dodge and damage you at the same time.

Actually Le blanc becomes stealthed for 0.1 second and spawns a clone any time she ultis (Saddly this is getting removed)

Leblanc doesnt have these things.

Lets do some math here.

This ll end up badly...

Le blanc abuses this 2 items 2X times ekko can
Le blanc has way to many combos you cannot just use 1 combo as an example
Le blanc is ranged.
Ekko realisticly wont hit anything calculating damage against AFK target is pointless. Maybe he ll hit Q1 E AND aa (3 times during laning phase) because thats what I ussualy see and that shit does nothing.

But player skill is really important Le blanc isnt even bursty in wrong hands

If Ekko wasnt strictly worse version of other AP assassins I would play him. Why the fk would I ever play this delaykko when I can one shot from 1500 range with le blanc? Or when I can have superior CC with Ahri

HibekiMar 27, 20181 votes

The combos do not change the damage output. Its a passive proc and a hit from all spells, no 'combo' is relevant here.

PoskeMar 27, 20181 votes