Boards›Gameplay

Vayne Rageblade Interaction

SkyblazeHydraX3··4 votes·1,307 views

Vayne with Guinsoo's Rageblade is becoming increasingly common, and I really think Riot needs to bite this in the butt ASAP. Out of all the Vayne's I've fought recently, I've seen maybe... one that hasn't built Guinsoo's. The fact that Vayne can abuse the Phantom Hit passive to high holy hell for procs on her Silver Bolts every other hit- and on lesser notes, deal all three damage types just by auto-attacking while getting some insane Attack Speed and bonus Attack Damage from the stacking aspect- means that people see this item as worth it even when the AP is completely and totally wasted on her.

All I'm asking is that Riot consider making Vayne's Silver Bolts an on-attack passive rather than on-hit. Because really, 12% maximum HP as true damage on every other attack is kind of crazy, let's be fair. And it really is not very hard at all to build up stacks on Guinsoo's, since it only requires six auto attacks. Minions, monsters, champions, anything works.

While it may not be as prominent as Korean Build Lucian or Tank Ekko (gonna be happy to see those nerfed), it is rising in prominence and I really hope Riot will look at it and do something about this before it becomes a common pain in the ass.

19 Comments

Håppy2 votes

6 autoattacks is a lot for melee champions, but isn't for Ranged champions. That's the big kicker right there. They had originally nerfed Phantom Hit on Devourer for ranged champions BECAUSE of Vayne. She was the abuser of it and made them nerf it in favor of melee champions. Now they've completely dumpstered that idea and I hate it, it's so toxic.

SkyblazeHydraX31 votes

I don't know if I'd say it's toxic, but it's sure as hell annoying. I just want Riot to deal with it before it gets out of hand.

I understand the notion that maybe the AP on the item and it's somewhat difficult built path would make it unattractive to champions like Vayne. As of late however, I've found that no, that is not the case. Maximum percent health true damage on every other attack from just a single item is too good to pass up.

And that's just one skill and one item on one champion. It's not even considering the other items that Vayne builds (like item 3153 and item 3046), her other abilities like Tumble's bonus damage, Condemn's hard CC, or her ult giving flat bonus AD. And even all of that isn't taking into account what her team might be doing.

Emerald Fang1 votes

All you need is a 1 second CC and she's dead.

SkyblazeHydraX31 votes

Except even a half-competent Vayne can slip away from any CC that isn't auto-targeted. And anything they can't dodge out of, odds are they have Quicksilver Sash or Mercurial Scimitar to get them out of it.

Crett1 votes

Gives Vayne her favorite stat in the highest quantity of any item, and makes her passive proc 50% more at 6 stacks Pure evil

... What if... item 3124 item 3153 item 3143 item 3065 item 3026 item 3111

SkyblazeHydraX31 votes

Can we not give people any ideas? I have enough issue with the likes of fucking full AP Alistar as it is. I don't need to see friggin tank-melter bruiser Vayne.

Eevee In A Jar1 votes

Should get QSS too in place of Spirit Visage or Randuin's. IMO Randuin's you could do without really.

NíbbaBíbba1 votes

they should do to it what they did to devouerer, Make it proc every 4 hits and u need double the stacks to make it work.

SkyblazeHydraX31 votes

See, that's just gutting the item for everyone. Or at least ranged champions.

That's why I think simply making a change on Vayne would probably be the way to go. Making her Silver Bolts proc every three attacks rather than every three hits would do absolutely nothing to nerf or damage either Vayne or Guinsoo's besides removing the abusive interaction.

BakedLotion1 votes

I hate it. It delays your powerspike so much. I'd rather rush a bork/youmouus and snowball.. Buying a blasting wand is just asking to get shit on

SkyblazeHydraX31 votes

Mayhaps. But it's seriously annoying to fight once she gets Guinsoo's Rage.

LadyRenly1 votes

you need to attack 6 times, and you need to build ap components...yeah she deserves the phantom hit for building such a craptastic item

SkyblazeHydraX31 votes

I would disagree.

Quepha1 votes

New Guinsoo's has been built on champions that don't care about the AP even in its last iteration, and this one puts even less emphasis on the AP.

It's totally fine for a champion to synergize with an item and it doesn't at all look like Vayne is out of line with Guinsoo's.

SkyblazeHydraX31 votes

It's fine for champions to synergize with an item, like Kalista and Runaan's or Darius and Black Cleaver.

But via just six auto-attacks on a champion that spends virtually all their time auto attacking already, Vayne gets a maximum of 12% maximum health true damage every two attacks, on top of whatever damage her autos are already doing. And that's Vayne alone, disregarding the rest of her team.

Quepha1 votes

{quoted}

It's fine for champions to synergize with an item, like Kalista and Runaan's or Darius and Black Cleaver.

But via just six auto-attacks on a champion that spends virtually all their time auto attacking already, Vayne gets a maximum of 12% maximum health true damage every two attacks, on top of whatever damage her autos are already doing. And that's Vayne alone, disregarding the rest of her team.

That honestly doesn't sound that impressive. An adc with 550 range, even a hypermobile one like Vayne, should not have an easy time getting off 6 consecutive auto attacks in a team fight unless you're playing the fight exactly how she wants you to.

Akali is SO HOT1 votes

No it's not. If you're in wood tier you might see Vayne's building it but everywhere else nobody is dumb enough to go that build.

SkyblazeHydraX31 votes

Funny, I've been seeing it in more than a few of my Silver games.

BakedLotion1 votes

{quoted}

Funny, I've been seeing it in more than a few of my Silver games.

silver is basically bronze 2.0.

More from Gameplay

3 Refunds per season, upvote if you want 3 refunds per season.
Gameplay764 comments
7,167
votes
3 Refunds per season, upvote if you want 3 refunds per season.
Gameplay156 comments
3,510
votes
UPVOTE FOR URF
Gameplay606 comments
2,440
votes
Yes plz.
Gameplay456 comments
1,721
votes
3 Refunds per season, up vote if you want 3 refunds per season.
Gameplay114 comments
1,716
votes
When is ANYONE at riot going to address the awful new player experience?
Gameplay634 comments
1,383
votes

More by SkyblazeHydraX3

Twitch feels.... Unsatisfying
Gameplay86 comments
67
votes
A Minor Gripe about Fiora's Passive...
Gameplay52 comments
36
votes
So looking forward to ADC nerfs...
Gameplay115 comments
32
votes
A Champion I have new respect for after Morde's VGU?
Story, Art, & Sound29 comments
25
votes
Just had the most hilarious game end
Gameplay17 comments
16
votes
Riot was right to nerf Azir
Gameplay6 comments
16
votes