Shyvana is the New Nunu

ofart··3 votes·713 views

She scales better than Nunu but you can shut down the enemy jungler in the same counter-jungling playstyle. In fact, she is way better at it than Nunu because she can use the ult. to escape over walls and she farms/takes objectives a lot faster too. Moreover, she scales better than him and can actually snowball effectively (no pun intended). Unlike Yi, there's no point where she's actually really weak and most games aren't long enough for Yi's better scaling to outshine Shyvana's greater gold income.

I really believe she is the most broken jungler outside of competitive play. She is also probably the only primarily Devourer jungler that I'd expect would be viable at their level (even though she hasn't seen play). Elise and Nidalee are objectively stronger than her but at least they require a lot more skill to be used effectively. Threads like this usually get downvoted hard, but time will prove me right. I'm not the type to get beaten by X jungler and then cry about how OP they are. She is currently the best performing jungler in Platinum+. While I don't think she's OP at the highest levels, I do think she needs power distribution tweaks to make her more manageable at lower levels or at least more skillful.

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mogonk2 votes

shyvana counterjungles

holy shit when did this happen

stop the presses

ArlanKels1 votes

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shyvana counterjungles

holy shit when did this happen

stop the presses

The OP was pointing out that Shyvana has a very fast clear, time, safe jungle clearing, has an extremely strong counter-jungle potential and at any point in the game she is "Good" to "Great". Her only real weakpoint is... ... .... I dunno

mogonk1 votes

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The OP was pointing out that Shyvana has a very fast clear, time, safe jungle clearing, has an extremely strong counter-jungle potential and at any point in the game she is "Good" to "Great". Her only real weakpoint is... ... .... I dunno

all of that has been true since release

her weakpoint is that she brings nothing to the table but damage and her ganks are shit

Drehirth1 votes

her weakpoint is getting kited and lowish early game pressure (first clear at least). Also hyper late game is very bad because getting kited for a few seconds will leave you dead despite all your damage

Ezreal Kalista hardcounter her, and though Vayne usually ends up getting crushed in lane, if vayne does decent she also counters shyvanna.

seriously though if you don't close out a game with her you are donzo (look at that nosedive of a winrate based on game length) aside from adcs who can kite, mages with waveclear/frequent cc Lux TwistedFate can stall out games and give her a very bad time in teamfights

ofart1 votes

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her weakpoint is getting kited and lowish early game pressure (first clear at least). Also hyper late game is very bad because getting kited for a few seconds will leave you dead despite all your damage

Ezreal Kalista hardcounter her, and though Vayne usually ends up getting crushed in lane, if vayne does decent she also counters shyvanna.

seriously though if you don't close out a game with her you are donzo (look at that nosedive of a winrate based on game length) aside from adcs who can kite, mages with waveclear/frequent cc Lux TwistedFate can stall out games and give her a very bad time in teamfights

Getting kited is meanignless because her playstyle is to split push and counterjungle/take objectives not teamfight. She will also starve out the enemy jungle and likely get a large lead for her team early. Riot is correct to nerf her although it may be too harsh.

Drehirth1 votes

Kiting meaningless? What? There's a ridiculous difference in how games go depending on how well the enemy's champions kite.

Yes she revolves around counterjungling, but that's mainly earlier in the game, and getting objectives is mainly mid onward but that will very often start teamfights (which you will have to be there for) and they won't go as well if you are kited(if one or a combination of the champions that give her trouble are actually ahead, there is nothing you can do without them making a mistake or having "pick" champions on your team to lock them down/make the plays for you like naut, morg, blitz etc, because not only can they stop your splitpush, very often forcing splitpushes as a jungler will be more trouble than it is worth and hand a smart enemy free objectives).

Her playstyle isn't mainly splitpushing because you can ONLY do it at certain points of the game like when baron/dragon isn't up, because you won't have teleport/presence ult to stop the enemy team from getting them for free.

redniwediS1 votes

Shyvana can do a lot of things, but if she falls behind she has some serious problems.

Nunu, even when behind, can still say "You don't get to have fun today". He might lose, but you won't have fun.

Droogzy1 votes

She definitely can be more oppressive than Nunu with counter jungling, but the big thing is that Nunu, no matter what, even if he is far behind, can always be a nuisance in counter-jungling.

If Shyvana falls behind and tries to counterjungle, she's gonna have a bad time. Although I do digress that its difficult to fall behind as Shyvana considered she clears camps so fast that her experience gain puts her on par/better than solo laners.

ofart1 votes

I've played a lot more Shyvana's since. I no longer have any doubt she's too strong.

Drehirth1 votes

speaking of him why is poor nunu left in the shitter? If he were actually good he'd actually be a great answer to her, btw there's already nerfs to her and devourer on the way so...

EcchiOtakuTM1 votes

Sigh welp read PBE shyv is dead.

ofart1 votes

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Sigh welp read PBE shyv is dead.

This thread was made before any PBE changes.

EcchiOtakuTM1 votes

AW oh well, just hope at least her Q nerf is reverted hurting her early game Q will just encourage afk farm...

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