Any update on balance changes to Devourer and Sated Devourer?

Vistha Kai·Aug 11, 2015·12 votes·988 views

So I played with and aganist Devourer junglers 3 times in a row.

First one was Jax who solo'd Baron at 25nd minute with only Blade of the Ruined King and Sated Devourer.

Second one was also Jax, who did 50% of damage with BotRK's passive and 40% with Sated Devourer's on-hit magic damage, also his only two items.

Third one was Master Yi who did over 1500 damage(50-60% of all his damage to me) with Wuju Style active in under 2 seconds.

I don't think I've ever came to Gameplay and Balance, because of such matter, but this just reached a whole new level of bullshit.

How many Feral Flares do you need to add to this game to understand it simply doesn't work?

39 Comments

StellafreyjaAug 11, 20157 votes

I find it funny how Runeglaive was considered very weak by everyone, but one champion abuses it in lane and it's immediately nerfed. Devourer has been overpowered for a few patches now and there hasn't even been a tweak on it.

Vistha KaiAug 11, 20153 votes

The thing about Runeglaive was(and pretty much still is, albeit less) the fact it didn't really benefit any AP junglers.

It was an unholy child of Lich Bane and IBG at best.

Zone of EndlessAug 11, 20151 votes

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I find it funny how Runeglaive was considered very weak by everyone, but one champion abuses it in lane and it's immediately nerfed. Devourer has been overpowered for a few patches now and there hasn't even been a tweak on it.

Because no one uses devourer in high elo with the exception of shyvana. Just like Feral Flare, Devourer create a meta in lower tiers instead because they don't know how to pressure early and devourer jungler isn't punished for AFK farming. If you've played devourer when your team is behind you'd realize it's extremely hard to get stacks on your devourer.

KaeblenAug 11, 20155 votes

item 3933 MasterYi played 3 games in a row vs this guy.

Jax is pretty ridiculous too.

but honestly, the Phantom Hit just needs to go. (+5 stacks for a dragon needs to go too; 2-3 should be plenty.)

Vistha KaiAug 11, 20153 votes

It's either Phantom Hit or every other stat of the item.

Or perhaps bump it to ever 3rd hit, not every other.

OxBakerAug 11, 20154 votes

Don't worry, RIOT's nerfing Kayle instead.

stealthfox94Aug 11, 20152 votes

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Don't worry, RIOT's nerfing Kayle instead.

Good, fuck kayle.

Vistha KaiAug 11, 20151 votes

Hey, I'd like to play lane Kayle and not ask to lose the match because of that, though.

Seriously, since her last change she's barely worth anything and most of the time nothing more than the ult bot.

Vistha KaiAug 11, 20153 votes

Why would you deal with the source when you can treat symptoms, right?

ChargeItDownMidAug 11, 20153 votes

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Vistha KaiAug 11, 20156 votes

Do you want to know which jungle item is underpowered? item 3711

But Sated Devourer wasn't even ever standing next to "underpowered".

nigel shrekberryAug 11, 20152 votes

sir, you are the most cancerous master yi playing fuck i've seen, that thing needs to be tortured in nerf hell

SwollwonderAug 11, 20151 votes

Do you play this game..?

BaunjoAug 11, 20152 votes

Devourer is perfectly balanced. Most of the people who play devourer champions are complete imbociles when it comes to actual jungling. For example im pretty sure I have never lost a smite to someone playing a devourer champion, and can steal any objective I need. Playing a gank heavy jungler early and making a difference then is really really important, and something that people dont ever understand

Vistha KaiAug 11, 20152 votes

I wasn't even meant to put Devourer in the title, but apparently I can't edit the title after somebody responded.

You forget about the fact Devourer gets stacks from kills and assists, too.

BaunjoAug 11, 20151 votes

No I didn't, it just was not important to the argument. Besides, which is more consistent, killing jungle camps or roaming around the map? One notable thing about devourer is almost every champion who builds it has little to no gank pressure, meaning if your laner does not have the necessary cc to create pressure, the enemy laner can usually just stroll right on back under the tower and take minimal damage. Jungle camps however require no cc, just damage. And they both generate stacks. So you are a bronze jungler: Hard stacks < Easy stacks

Vistha KaiAug 11, 20151 votes

I've seen successful ganks done by level 2-3 Rengars or Warwicks.

Sure, initially Devourer junglers are more stuck in the jungler than every other, but that doesn't prevent them from ganking at all. Even if you power farm you will run out of jungle camps to kill.

BaunjoAug 11, 20151 votes

Did you even bother reading all of that comment? I said unless the laner has the cc to create pressure. I'm sure that warwick was ganking a lane with cc.

Also rengar? He is a TERRIBLE devourer jungler. And yeah, he can gank at level 3 just fine, cc or not. He HAS the necessary cc

Vistha KaiAug 11, 20151 votes

He was ganking Vlad for that matter.

And I never said Rengar is suppose to build Devourer. Plus his ganks are very mediocre despite CC, because he has no way to actually get onto people before 6.

AtheosisXAug 11, 20154 votes

Balanced or not these AFK jungle items will never be good for the game.

BaunjoAug 11, 20151 votes

How so?

AtheosisXAug 11, 20152 votes

They encourage a lack of interaction between teams. Or at least between the devourer jungler and the enemy team. They basically reward junglers for jungling like noobs.

BaunjoAug 11, 20151 votes

So by your logic top laners are just noobs because they have minimal interaction with the team for the first 15 or so minutes of the game as well?

AtheosisXAug 11, 20151 votes

We aren't talking about top laners. We are talking about junglers. Pay attention.

BaunjoAug 11, 20151 votes

Its the same concept. But thank you for ignoring my point. " Creates minimal interaction with the rest of the players, " is not a valid reason. I will ask the question again, why is devourer not good for the game?

AtheosisXAug 11, 20152 votes

It's not the same concept. Junglers are meant to interact with laners, not live in the jungle and only poke their head out at the 25 minute mark. If they came out with laning items that stacked in a similar way thereby encouraging afk lane farming that would be bad as well.

BaunjoAug 11, 20151 votes

Please show me where in the league of legends dictionary I can find the definition of " Jungler " and in the section where it specifically limits junglers to laner interaction.

AtheosisXAug 11, 20152 votes

Now you're just being difficult. There's no hard-set definition. It's just not a healthy way for junglers to play if the intent of the game is for it to be fun for everyone. AFK farming junglers are aggravating for their teammates early, and when given items like Sated Devourer are aggravating for their opponents late. It's just crap design.

BaunjoAug 11, 20151 votes

No you are refusing to see anything positive and are only wanting to hear what you are saying. You must be the typical kid who blames the jungler for losing his lane. And on your point on " being fun for everyone " why does the jungler have to be everyones bitch? Devourer has very blatant advantages and disadvantages, its main one being it sacrifices early game power for late game dominance. Then there is the exact opposite of this, for example Lee sin. His early game pressure is excellent, however lategame he is hard to make useful.

The problem with players like you is you get so damn caught up on the advantages of a champion/item that you blatantly refuse to achknowledge that there are any disadvantages. And even if you do miraculously agree with a weakness, you have ABSOLUTELY no idea how to exploit it.

AtheosisXAug 11, 20152 votes

What the hell are you going on about? Who said anything about the jungler being anyone's bitch? Seriously dude you need to chill. And for the record I assume I will get zero ganks and play accordingly. When I get a gank it's always a nice surprise. Seriously man, you are reading into what I'm saying way too much. Farm items and farm mechanics on champs (like Nasus) lead to boring, binary gameplay and should be done away with. That is all. Thanks.

BaunjoAug 11, 20151 votes

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What the hell are you going on about? Who said anything about the jungler being anyone's bitch? Seriously dude you need to chill. And for the record I assume I will get zero ganks and play accordingly. When I get a gank it's always a nice surprise. Seriously man, you are reading into what I'm saying way too much. Farm items and farm mechanics on champs (like Nasus) lead to boring, binary gameplay and should be done away with. That is all. Thanks.

You took one bit of my argument that didnt make sense to you, and ignored the rest. Please feel free to go back and read the rest of it, it will do an amazing job of explaining why your " I dont like lategame power in exchange for early game weakness " opinion is complete bullshit. And by the jungler being everyones bitch, i mean on the topic of everyone having fun, it really does get old doing the same thing over and over on different champions as jungle, sometimes lategame power is really really fun

AtheosisXAug 11, 20152 votes

I have no problem with trading early game power for late game power. I have a problem with anything that encourages AFK farming.

BaunjoAug 11, 20151 votes

No matter what you name it, AFK farming IS lategame power, and early game weakness.

SasogwaAug 11, 20152 votes

Problem with this item is it's balanced around quite high elo, where other junglers will have quite more impact in the game, people are less likely to get caught out by a sated dev jungle and more likely to burst him down/ cc him. This is problematic since it's not very far from free elo in lower leagues, but is nearly never picked up in competitive play.

Vistha KaiAug 11, 20152 votes

First of all in higher competetive play people don't really play things like Yi or Jax jungle and/or are more focused about ganks and objectives than farming.

That's why most likely nobody ever will buy a Devourer in LCS.

AtheosisXAug 11, 20151 votes

One more illustration of why it isn't a healthy item. They really need to stop making afk farming jungle items. Seriously.

RyvakuAug 11, 20151 votes

I honestly think the Sated Devourer's phantom shouldn't apply on-hit effects or shorten procs.

CoolKnightSTAug 11, 20152 votes

They just shouldn't aply onhit effects from other items like item 3153 item 3074 . Just onhit effects from their kit. Than the item will be ballanced.