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Death's Dance changes

Lovelle·9/19/2019, 3:23:01 PM·1 votes·1,143 views

This item is extremely problematic in my eyes. The fact that it gives AD casters burst healing is bad enough, but also helps them mitigate damage. Playing against this as a tank or a champ without sustain feels awful in multiple ways.

Riven Urgot Kayn (particularly Rhaast) it makes champs like these even harder to deal with than they already can be. Between Conquerer and all the free CDR from both itemization and runes, I don't think these types of champions need access to that kind of crazy sustain.

If this item is going to keep its healing, then the mitigation and/or the CDR needs to be removed. If it was either toned down or removed, I feel would really improve the health of the game as a whole, along with making AD casters somewhat less frustrating to play against. If AD casters (particularly fighters with large bonus AD ratios) want to actually be tanky, they should have to invest in real defensive items like everyone else in the game.

6 Comments

Varkul9/19/2019, 4:13:23 PM3 votes

Maybe it's just me, but in this meta of things, it's one of the less problematic items. It's healing can be negated with grievous wounds item 3165 item 3076 The bleed effect converts 30% of all damage to a true damage bleed NOT mitigating it. It's basically an AD item 3146 with a bleed effect for damage that if the overall damage would kill you, will kill you unless you heal/get healed.

I will say though, it's healing became more effective when it was changed to ALL damage.

More problematic items in my opinion are item 3161 and item 3071, both grant damage/hp and have, frankly very powerful passives.

Vlada Cut9/19/2019, 3:51:53 PM2 votes

No. BURST healing only occurs when you have really REALLY high burst orientated spells AND if Conqueror 5 Stacks + Ravenous Hunter are active at the time you are fighting someone. This is most noticable on Aatrox who has even MORE healing sources than the ones mentioned above.

Death's Dance as an item itself is fine, and people were originally gonna freak out when it's healing source was changed from physical to all damage types, which didn't break the item at all.

Death's Dance isn't problematic as a standalone item, it's interactions with Conqueror and Ravenous Hunter are.

iiGazeii9/19/2019, 4:18:41 PM2 votes

The only thing Death's Dance needs is to indicate how much health you're going to lose to it's effects on your healthbar, to both teams. Make that chunk of health a different color so that you, your teammates, and the enemy can see how much health you ACTUALLY have.

BrightWîngs9/19/2019, 4:56:33 PM2 votes

it is a strong item but item 3812 is the east of my worries item 3161 is an item literally designed to be broken and unfun to play against it has zero purpose other than being cancer

Saezio9/19/2019, 4:04:19 PM1 votes

I think stuff like Shojin is way more game breaking. Or AD GA. Give the AD/MR ga back.

Super Sandmanne9/19/2019, 5:32:59 PM1 votes

I don't think it's an issue. It's not even a particularly good value for the gold it costs.