NA COMMENTATORS ARE NEGATIVELY IMPACTING PLAYERS

MR KIMCHI SENPAI·Oct 23, 2016·2 votes·705 views

I've seen both commentaries for Worlds in English and Korean. Now I only watch in Korean because

Korean commentators (some) actually know what they are talking about because they used to be pro players.
They invite current pro players as guests to hear their opinion, and get advanced, high tier tips.
English commentators are so... bad... they spew garbage out of their mouth like silver players.

AND TO MAKE THIS ALL WORSE

When I give tips on things, players say NO THIS, NO THAT, and yet I'm legitimately sharing the opinion of pro players or their streams.

NA players are so spoiled because they are so oblivious to understand what they are doing. A part of it must be this crappy knowledge that's being shared by all the ignorant players, including the NA channels.

GO NUTS.

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

20 Comments

The DeckownerOct 23, 20164 votes

there is this thing call player experience stream which is hosted by current pro players

WeedTitsOct 23, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Deckowner,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IiEUhHnv,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-10-23T04:55:50.348+0000)

there is this thing call player experience stream which is hosted by current pro players

Honestly didn't know this existed, ty. I watched Monte's Vod reviews last year, but he isn't this year; this will do me just fine.

MR KIMCHI SENPAIOct 23, 20161 votes

YEAH BUT WHAT GAMES AND WHOSE GAMES DO YOU WATCH THOUGH. SEE SOME PEOPLE GO WATCH DOUBLE LIFT'S GAMES AND FIND IT ALL FUNNY AND THINK HE'S GOOD BUT THE BETTER PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY WANT TO IMPROVE WILL WATCH FOR EXAMPLE CURSE PIGLET BECAUSE HE IS A WAY BETTER PLAYER AND CLIMBS TO TOP IN NA SERVER LIKE IT'S A JOKE. IF YOU REALLY WANT TO IMPROVE WHY NOT WATCH THE BEST PLAYERS INSTEAD OF WATCH SOME SECOND TIER PRO PLAYERS WHO CAN'T EVEN COMPETE IN WORLDS. AND NA COMMENTATORS THINK SOME OF THESE PLAYERS ARE SO GOOD WELL KOREAN TEAMS SAY NA TEAMS ARE SO LOW TIER AND SAY KOREA CHAMPIONSHIP IS MUCH DIFFICULT TO WIN THAN THE WORLDS, THE REASON BEING THAT PLAYERS ARE ACTUALLY MUCH WORSE HERE.

ZanTwilightOct 23, 20163 votes

(To see the instance of MR KIMCHI SENPAI's #protips on Jayce that likely prompted this post, you can check out the "How Do You Guys Deal with Jayce" post in Gameplay.) Also, while I agree that many commentators don't have the best game knowledge, they're casters that are hired to make the game exciting with play-by-plays. Several of them (particularly Jatt, what a hero), plus everyone on the analyst desk, have pretty impressive game knowledge and can discuss the game really meaningfully. Plus when you say "English" you include EU, and I don't think you mean to be saying that Krepo doesn't understand the game. Don't assume that you know all the hidden secrets of this game and nobody else does, because the 90% of the community that contains both of us pretty much doesn't understand crap about this game.

MR KIMCHI SENPAIOct 23, 20161 votes

?? I never said anything about me knowing the hidden secrets or said nobody else does. Someone asked and I gave answers.

Stop making stuff up and telling people just because you are bitter. And stop negatively affecting these innocent players. That says more about you than others.

Like I said I spoonfed you diamond 1+ tips that I got in Korean and you can't handle them... So there's nothing more I can do for you. I don't know why you are following me?? I CAN'T HELP YOU IF YOU CAN'T CHEW AND SWALLOW.

THE KOREAN COMMENTATORS AND THE ENGLISH COMMENTATORS SAY COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS. AND 100% OF THE TIME THE KOREAN COMMENTATOR IS RIGHT.

WeedTitsOct 23, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=MR KIMCHI SENPAI,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IiEUhHnv,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-10-23T05:19:00.343+0000)

?? I never said anything about me knowing the hidden secrets or said nobody else does. Someone asked and I gave answers.

Stop making stuff up and telling people just because you are bitter. And stop negatively affecting these innocent players. That says more about you than others.

Like I said I spoonfed you diamond 1+ tips that I got in Korean and you can't handle them... So there's nothing more I can do for you. I don't know why you are following me?? I CAN'T HELP YOU IF YOU CAN'T CHEW AND SWALLOW.

THE KOREAN COMMENTATORS AND THE ENGLISH COMMENTATORS SAY COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS. AND 100% OF THE TIME THE KOREAN COMMENTATOR IS RIGHT.

Teach me senpai

MR KIMCHI SENPAIOct 23, 20161 votes

FOR EXAMPLE: JAYCE DIDN'T BUILD TEARS IN THAT ROX VS. SKT GAME.

ONE OF THE COMMENTATORS WERE SAYING HOW HE'S HAVING MANA PROBLEMS FOR NOT BUILDING TEARS. AND HE WAS GETTING THE TEAM'S BLUE BUFFS.

SO IF SOMEONE SAYS BUILD TEARS THEN IT'S BECAUSE YOU AREN'T PLAYING IN LCS. YOU ARE PLAYING IN LIKE SILVER TO PLAT ELO WHERE YOU AREN'T GOING TO GET BLUE BUFFS AS JAYCE TOP LANE. AND YOU CAN ONLY GET THE BUFF IF YOUR TEAM IS ON THE BOTTOM SIDE OF THE MAP.

ONE OF THE KOREAN CASTERS ACTUALLY INTERVIEW THE TOP TIER PLAYERS TO GET ANSWERS ON THESE THINGS OKAY?????? LIKE I SAID MANY TIMES, IF YOU CAN'T EVEN ACCEPT WHAT THEY SAY HOW CAN ANYBODY HELP YOU BECAUSE YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND KOREAN COMMENTARIES YOURSELF.

franticFurballOct 23, 20161 votes

Dude, you are gold 2. Stop playing the wise old man here.

Every single one of the US and EU casters played on a higher level than you, many in LCS teams and/or challenger series. Once you are at their level you can start writing angry comments in all caps.

MR KIMCHI SENPAIOct 23, 20161 votes

IT'S NOT BEING WISE IT'S THE TRUTH AND IT'S A SIMPLE GAME BUT OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T HANDLE IT.

I WAS WAY ABOVE IN OLDER SEASONS IN PLACES YOU WILL NEVER BE BEFORE MY MAIN GOT BANNED. I CLIMB SLOWLY BUT WHEN NEW SEASON STARTS I'M GOING TO CLIMB FASTER AND TO THE TOP JUST SO I CAN TALK TO PEOPLE. THIS GAME IS SO EASY YOU CAN PLAY EZREAL SUPPORT AND CLIMB TO DIAMOND. BEFORE NOBODY SAID THINGS LIKE OH YOU ARE GOLD BLAH BLAH BECAUSE I WAS BETTER TIER AND THE HIGHEST TIER YOU COULD FIND ON BOARDS WAS LIKE LOW DIAMOND NOOBS WHICH WAS SAME AS SILVER 5. THOSE COMMENTATORS DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS IF YOU WATCH KOREAN STREAMS AND COMMENTATORS BECAUSE THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE TEAMS ARE DOING SO THEY HAVE ZERO UNDERSTANDING OF THE GAME. IF THEY KNEW THE GAME THEY'D SAY THINGS THAT ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE AND IN FACT KNOW IT BEFORE THINGS HAPPEN LIKE THEY DO IN KOREAN COMMENTARIES. GOD TALKING TO NA PLAYERS SO ANNOYING THEY JUST THINK THEY'RE THE BEST AND THEY HAVEN'T EVEN LEFT GOLD.

WeedTitsOct 23, 20161 votes

Which caster was it that caught flakk recently for some dumb shit he said? I'm trying to find it but I can't remember the details

The DeckownerOct 23, 20161 votes

the guy who said smeb is building a ramduim when he has chainvest giants belt?

WeedTitsOct 23, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Deckowner,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IiEUhHnv,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-10-23T05:12:10.997+0000)

the guy who said smeb is building a ramduim when he has chainvest giants belt?

That's not it, but yeah there's probably a lot of dumb wrong shit casters have said over the years so my question probably has many answers. Honestly someone could get a lot of views making a youtube video of it, I searched for one and couldn't find any.

franticFurballOct 23, 20161 votes

Lets forget the fact that you are gold 2, and that your KDAs on most champs are really low for a moment, and focus on your opinion, which seems to be that casters have to be perfectly working analytical machines, and that their top priority should be to be right about everything at every moment.

You are wrong.

A caster is an ENTERTAINER. His job is to make the game more exciting to watch, to work up the crowd and to provide a narrative background for whats happening on the screen.

In case of the League casters its also their job to be memorable personas for the community, to provide a recognition value that helps marketing events. All these jobs, the NA and EU casters fullfill PERFECTLY.

And they are much more entertaining than your post.

I need 100% accuracy in my job, when designing an algorithm, and in my shop. I don't need it in my entertainment.

MR KIMCHI SENPAIOct 23, 20161 votes

IT'S NOT BEING WISE IT'S THE TRUTH AND IT'S A SIMPLE GAME BUT OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T HANDLE IT.

THOSE COMMENTATORS DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS IF YOU WATCH KOREAN STREAMS AND COMMENTATORS BECAUSE THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE TEAMS ARE DOING SO THEY HAVE ZERO UNDERSTANDING OF THE GAME. IF THEY KNEW THE GAME THEY'D SAY THINGS THAT ACTUALLY MAKE SENSE AND IN FACT KNOW THINGS BEFORE THEY EVEN HAPPEN LIKE THEY DO IN KOREAN COMMENTARIES. GOD TALKING TO NA PLAYERS SO ANNOYING THEY JUST THINK THEY'RE THE BEST AND THEY HAVEN'T EVEN LEFT GOLD.

SEE THE THING IS YOU BELIEVE WHAT THEY THINK IS ENTERTAINING AND CORRECT ONLY BECAUSE IT'S ALL FUN. BUT NO THAT'S WRONG BECAUSE YOU WILL NEVER KNOW WHAT WILL ACTUALLY HELP PLAYERS. IF YOU WATCH 1 KOREAN COMMENTARY GAME YOU LEARN MORE THAN YOU WOULD IN 100 ENGLISH COMMENTARY GAMES. AND YOU DONT EVEN NEED THESE TIPS TO CLIMB OUT OF GOLD YOU ONLY NEED IT TO GET INTO HIGH DIAMOND BUT IT'S OKAY YOU PEOPLE WILL NEVER KNOW. SEASON 8 SEASON 10 YOU WILL ALWAYS BE GOLD BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO LEARN THE GAME. WHEN I WAS LOW DIAMOND AND MET CHALLENGER SMURFS ON GAMES SOME I WIN SOME I LOSE. WHEN I LOSE I ASK THEM WHY I LOST AND THEY GIVE FEEDBACK AND I TOOK IT AND LEARN OFF IT. NOW I GIVE FREE TIPS FOR PLAYERS AND THEY THINK OH GOLD CRAP. IF YOU HAVE A BRAIN AND ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND THE GAME THINGS MAKE SENSE. AND IF YOU DON'T EVEN TRY THINGS BECAUSE THEY'RE SO HARD TO BELIEVE JUST TRY IN GAMES IT'S NOT THAT HARD. NOW IM NOT GOING TO WASTE MORE TIME ON THESE PEOPLE THEY CAN JUST ROT IN ELO HELL UNTIL SEASON 15 AND NEVER LEARN

franticFurballOct 23, 20161 votes

First of all: Writing in all caps just screams: "I know I am wrong, so I'm gonna shout really loud and hope that makes up for it." Its the same strategy Trump supporters use, and hes about to lose the election, so do your credibility a favor and...don't.

I WAS WAY ABOVE IN OLDER SEASONS IN PLACES YOU WILL NEVER BE BEFORE MY MAIN GOT BANNED.

The banned-part I believe without a second of hesitation. The other part I wouldn't believe if Jesus Christ floated down on a golden cloud and told me.

Why? Simple. Your KDA, your runes, your masteries, and your CS. I make better CS on average with Nasus playing against a ranged champ, than you do as ADC on an 2-side farm-lane.

I CLIMB SLOWLY BUT WHEN NEW SEASON STARTS I'M GOING TO CLIMB FASTER AND TO THE TOP JUST SO I CAN TALK TO PEOPLE.

What does your rank have to do with your ability to communicate? Oh, I see, you think rank = Being right...which it isn't, but hey, at least you believe so, and if you end up in gold again, at least you can always pretend that "your main got banned" amirite?

THIS GAME IS SO EASY YOU CAN PLAY EZREAL SUPPORT AND CLIMB TO DIAMOND.

You have 222 games played this season. Ifit was so easy, why are you still gold2?

GOD TALKING TO NA PLAYERS SO ANNOYING THEY JUST THINK THEY'RE THE BEST AND THEY HAVEN'T EVEN LEFT GOLD.

you are an NA player
you are in gold
you claim you are "ABOVE IN OLDER SEASONS IN PLACES YOU WILL NEVER BE"
And your posts here are...

...the self-own is real folks :D

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

SEE THE THING IS YOU BELIEVE WHAT THEY THINK IS ENTERTAINING

No, I know its entertaining, because its entertaining me.

BUT NO THAT'S WRONG BECAUSE YOU WILL NEVER KNOW WHAT WILL ACTUALLY HELP PLAYERS.

Trying to get above 51% winrate instead of writing all caps on the boards really does help :D

IF YOU WATCH 1 KOREAN COMMENTARY GAME YOU LEARN MORE THAN YOU WOULD IN 100 ENGLISH COMMENTARY GAMES. AND YOU DONT EVEN NEED THESE TIPS TO CLIMB OUT OF GOLD YOU ONLY NEED IT TO GET INTO HIGH DIAMOND

Then how is it, that are you still in gold after 222 games played this season? :D

NOW I GIVE FREE TIPS FOR PLAYERS

There was literally not a single piece of helpful advice in this entire thread :D

u r funneh.

[slayer-pantheon-rainbows]

MR KIMCHI SENPAIOct 23, 20161 votes

IM NOT EVEN GOING TO READ YOUR RESPONSE.

YOU CAN READ THIS AGAIN AND REFLECT ON YOUR MISTAKES.

IT'S NOT BEING WISE IT'S THE TRUTH AND IT'S A SIMPLE GAME BUT OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T HANDLE IT.

franticFurballOct 23, 20161 votes

IM NOT EVEN GOING TO READ YOUR RESPONSE.

Then what are you doing on an online forum if you are not interested in conversation? Go yell at a mirror if you like your own voice so much, saves you the humiliation of getting a dozen downvotes =)

And please don't think that "I won't even read..." makes you look tough, cool, or knowledgable. The only thing that behaviour reminds most people of, is that annoying classmate in school no one ever wanted to play with, who, instead of listening to his peers, always stuck his fingers in his ears going "LALALALALALA!".

YOU CAN READ THIS AGAIN AND REFLECT ON YOUR MISTAKES.

I could, but I don't have to. I have an excellent memory and there is only so much patience I have with people who write in all caps ^^

IT'S NOT BEING WISE IT'S THE TRUTH AND IT'S A SIMPLE GAME BUT OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T HANDLE IT.

Apparently, neither can you, because despite your claims that its simple and no problem to climb to Diamond, you are stuck at gold.

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

MR KIMCHI SENPAIOct 23, 20161 votes

I THINK YOU DIDN'T READ WHAT I SAID HERE.

IM NOT EVEN GOING TO READ YOUR RESPONSE.

YOU CAN READ THIS AGAIN AND REFLECT ON YOUR MISTAKES.

IT'S NOT BEING WISE IT'S THE TRUTH AND IT'S A SIMPLE GAME BUT OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T HANDLE IT.

franticFurballOct 23, 20161 votes

Yeah, I think we can all just stop taking this seriously :D

jaymc1130Oct 23, 20161 votes

There is a difference between casters like Phreak and analysts like Jatt. The casters are there to give exciting descriptions of what is happening on the screen. You do not need a lot of game knowledge to do this, you just need to understand how to make the description sound entertaining. The analysts that are always paired with casters are the ones who tell you WHY what is happening is happening. You have both types of personnel involved in shout casting for a reason. Its not exciting to hear Jatt describe why a thing is happening, but it is on point, in depth, detailed, and experienced explanations. It is exciting to hear Phreak saying "OMG WHAT A PLAY LOOK AT THIS! WOW!!!!" but there is nothing analytical about his comments.