@Riot When will Karthus receive a buff in the future?

MuffledGarbage··6 votes·1,369 views

Hello everyone and welcome.

I remember when Zed ult and Fizz ult could be cleansed via item 3140

That was removed by riot for the following reason...

An item countered the entire ultimate with no downside

Keeping this in mind I'd like to talk about how Karthus ult should be changed to either pierce spellshieldsitem 3814 in particular

or Karthus should receive Slows to his Q and E.

His E should also Tick at a faster rate. Similar to how Singed got changed to tick at a faster rate. The damage stayed the same but it's much smoother now.

I propose Karthus gains an additional passive(in addition to death defied)

This second part of his passive should be

When Karthus hits an enemy they gain a stack of Dread. When the enemy reaches either 4-2 stacks or after 5-2seconds the stacks activate and slow the enemy for 30%-70%(all stats rise based on level).

The passive would be visually a skull that looms above the enemy Karthus hit. The skull will have the left eye flash when at one stack, Right eye flash at two stacks. At three stacks the Nose starts to flash. At four the skull explodes.

This passive would reward good Karthus players for hitting an enemy and being able to consistently hit an enemy as well as make more interesting interactions.

EXAMPLE INTERACTION:

midlaneKarthus VS Zed

Zed throws Q

Karthus throws Q

Both Q's hit

The Zed has a choice. He can try to cs like normal and risk being an easier target for Karthus thanks to the impending slow Or he can lose some CS but stay safe and wait until the slow dies down.

If Zed decides to risk the damage for cs it would be a tense moment thanks to the feeling of "OK GOTTA DODGE THE Q... YES, YES" as well as creating a high moment for the Karthus if he hits the Q again.

If Zed decides to lose CS and wait for the slow then Karthus can try and push his luck with more Q poke on Zed

Right now all Karthus does is pressure an enemy with overwhelming damage. Karthus has such little utility that if you fall behind you become a puffball of tickles with pillows to throw at people from afar.

Since the item 3116 changes... poor Karthus hasn't received a compensation buff.

It could be argued that it was oppressive onKarthus ... but it was oppressive on_** ALL MAGES**_ and not just Karthus

That's why I propose a buff to Karthus. Please riot get back to me and tell me why you haven't buffedKarthus yet...

14 Comments

hipopotosaur2 votes

i canot agree with you more. karthus was my first main an while he wasnt exactly in meta when i playe him he is even more so now and i would like him to be playable again

Eedat2 votes

He doesnt need a buff ffs. He has a 50%+ winrate all the way through Diamond. A champ doesnt need a 55% WR to be viable. Then you get this bullshit of actually trying to compare Zed's ult to Karthus' ult. Is this real? When they change Zed's ult to globally target every champion on the enemy team I'll listen to the argument again

MuffledGarbage1 votes

Winrate means nothing without CONTEXT.

Playrate is how much he is PLAYED.

His playrate is 0.5%

That means that out of the roughly 50million (50,000,000) plyers playing league only 0.5% of those people are playing Karthus.

A 50% winrate with 0.5% playrate means ONLY onetricks are playing him for the most part.

Karthus's ult doesn't do a lot of damage until late into the game. It doesn't matter how much damage an ult does if it takes longer to hit thanitem 3814 channel time

I never said a champion had to have a 55% winrate to be viable either. You're putting words in my mouth of which I did not speak. That is deceitful.

If you honestly believe that balancing a champion based on winrate alone is a viable way of testing if they are balanced, that is evidence to believe you have not taken any economics or math classes past middle-school. Middleschool economics classes teach Causation =/= Correlation.

I rest my case on how your opinion is invalid in this situation due to your lack of knowledge on the subject at hand

Eedat1 votes

Pickrate means jack shit. Why would you make such a completely false assumption when you have the actual data to work with?

Evelynn higher pick rate AND playerbase average games

Kled higher pick rate AND playerbase average games

Talon higher pick rate AND playerbase average games

Let me do a comparison for you. I main Jungle Wukong. Jungle Wukongs playrate and average experience levels are practically the same as Karthus'

http://champion.gg/champion/MonkeyKing/Jungle

http://champion.gg/champion/Karthus/Middle

To start off, we can throw your made up 0.5% playrate bullshit out the window. My main actually has a 3% lower win rate. Does Wukong need buffs? NO. He's fine. He doesnt need to be the top tier pick for him to be viable. He doesn't need buffs. He isn't weak. He doesn't need a 10% play rate.

I rest my case with that you're bottom of the barrel Bronze 4 and this game would be complete shit if we listened to these players who think they know anything about the game when in reality they're absolute trash. Congrats on being worse at the game than the guy who "has not taken any economics or math classes past middle-school" right?

Actually tried to do an apples to apples comparison of Zed's ult and Karthus' ult. #bronze4lyfe

MuffledGarbage1 votes

you literaly just ignored anything I said and went "HAHA YOU LOOK STUPID SO I MUST BE RIGHT!!!!!! COME ON GUYS I'M RIGHT, RIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT?"

Does wukong have an Item which counters his entire ultimate. No. He doesn't

Does wukong take the same types of skills a Karthus player would use?

no, not even remotely.

and yes according to LOLKING.NET at the time of this post Karthus has an 0.5% pickrate with a 50.9% winrate http://www.lolking.net/champions/karthus?#/overview

And also according to LOLKING.NET Wukong has a 1.4% pickrate with a 50.7% winrate http://www.lolking.net/champions/monkeyking?#/overview

EDIT: I just looked onto your account. Didn't realize you were a troll. You're actually not complete shit at trolling, I'll give you that, Kek

Eedat1 votes

You really dont get it do you? You're going to sit here with a straight face and try to compare Zed's and Wukong's ults to Karthus' apples to apples? Do you not see the issue with this yet? Do you actually not realize what is wrong with this?

I wouldn't be talking about my account either. I can do some research of my own

https://na.whatismymmr.com/MuffledGarbage

Bronze 5 ranked MMR. Bottom 7% in norms

https://na.op.gg/summoner/champions/userName=muffledgarbage

400 games in Bronze 4/5 this season alone. Again, Bronze 5 MMR.

You are legit the absolute bottom tier player lmao. How the hell are you going to say I'm uneducated when you can't even beat a monkey with a keyboard after 400 games?

Since you seem interest in mine, lets compare :)

https://na.whatismymmr.com/eedat

I'm Gold 5 with Gold 2 MMR. Top 6% in norms

https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=eedat

65% winrate in ranked

Not a troll kid, just more informed than you'll ever be lmao

MissingKayo2 votes

Literally the only reasonable fucking thing in this entire thread is the tick change on his E. He does not need any buffs or changes AT ALL otherwise.

Drakavoid2 votes

I made a Karthus thread ages ago, but here's what I think. I've mained karthus since s2, but then I quit and came back in s5. His kit is exactly the same. Karthus is one of the oldest champs, I believe his kit got touched only once, which was a nerf for his W. Now to the main topic. I feel that Karthus current health is fine, his laning is pretty healthy (can be very passive and sustain, but at the same time very aggressive). His passive is already powerful, it gives you a second chance for revenge and free dmg in team fights. His W and E do need some work on, I like the idea of stacking, but it should be only for E because Q is super spammable. For his ult, I prefer that it deals %of missing hp rather than flat, because it is used more often against low hp target. And reduce that obnoxious CD, it's s7 c'mon!

crzymdscntst2 votes

Someone suggested that his wall add grounding at one point. I think it would be a neat change given that his wall already has a high cooldown. Not sure what kind of trade he'd need, if he needed one even, but it definitely would create a better versatility to him in pick status.

Honestly, his ultimate has a 180 second cooldown. That's not really cool. item 3157 item 3003 item 3102 item 3814 item 3026 item 3155 item 3156 item 3401 item 3190 Literally any of these items almost, if not completely counters his ultimate and have a shorter cooldown. (GA being the exception and countering all deathblows.) That's not counting innate shields and spell-blockers. That's not counting that it's just a basic nuke that's also countered by MR and health. An ADC even has the rare potential to lifesteal through it.

I won't argue that it isn't super-powerful given it's no-miss, hit-everyone status, but I would argue that despite it's potential power, that Karthus suffers heavily because of how it operates. I would argue that there is no reason for them to think that he's completely in an okay spot. Most of all I would argue that there is room for improving ANY champ's kit to be more suitable for the evolving of gameplay.

MuffledGarbage1 votes

don't forget item 3157 fam... (then again it's another exception cause it can dodge anything)

franchise76761 votes

i still plsy him i still do well but it's much harder then it should be to impact the game. thst spell shield is not the problem though its been long since pooped when karthus uses his ult most of the time. it was the change to rylais. i acctually still build it on him but he doesn't get a power spike like he used to. he needs a buff lije you mentioned where you het bonus damage for landing multiple Q's.

Knight Sky1 votes

I agree his E should tick faster, tho i feel the passive you talk about is too strong especailly combined with rylais, but maybe like a 10-15% slow on landing Q's and then combined with rylais would make him better. But in all honestly ive played him a little this season and i feel like hes still in a decent spot

MuffledGarbage1 votes

Keep in mind the passive only works well if you manage to HIT an enemy.

Even then the passive is a delayed slow. item 3116 would be worse on Karthus if this was to be a buff because he already gets a slow. The passive of item 3116 is one of the only reasons anyone takes it nowadays.

This would make item 3151 however a must buy for Karthus Because he could proc the passive fairly easy.

You know how Warwick is supposed to be like "baby's first jungler"

well I kinda want to make Karthus as easy to understand his playstyle as it is to understand how to play Warwick while keeping that power that he holds now in addition to giving him a MUCH higher skillceiling.

There would be much more that Karthus players could do with the buff. It would create an actual pattern of gameplay.

For an exampleAnnie

Her main pattern of gameplay is simple. She builds up passive stacks and then gets free hits off by using her point and click Q to use her SUPER damaging W and autoattack to proc TLD.

As of right now... Karthus

his pattern is more like Karthus "Q YOU AND Q YOU AND Q YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU. OH I DIDN'T Q YOU ENOUGH. HERE YOU GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

you get the idea.

With the change however it'd be more like Karthus "I Q'd you once. Now pick your poison. Try and all-in me. Or go back away like a coward!!!"

If you need further explanation then send me a comment or two. Have a nice day!

normie sIayer1 votes

He's fine gitgud his q damage is great his power comes from cdr which is easy to come across he has karthus out and some light cc and waveclear

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