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riot, you really gotta stop this nonsense with game balance

PhantomPrankster··2 votes·418 views

-So a fiora and shyvana go to tower dive me while im playing ashe ADC, the shyvana was fed me and fiora were about even in farm and damage items. i didn't want to burn my summoners on the off chance i still end up dying so i took the fight. i knew for sure the fiora was going to die and maybe i could kite shyvana around enough

fiora ulted me and i killed her no problem, so i started kiting shyvana around the turret and wham. she kills me, but the turret might do enough damage to her. At least that is what i thought until i realized fiora's ult still proced even though she was dead and didn't hit the vitals to trigger it.

[slayer-jinx-unamused] riot... where was the out play there?

I successfully prevented fiora from activating her ultimate on top of killing her but her teammate was still able to be healed and activate the ultimate because she killed me? how does fiora failing to successfully accomplish the core part of her kit still reward her allies?

-Another example the guardian rune, the one that shields you and allies. Guess what, that shit STILL procs even if the owner of the rune is dead. WHY, i killed them why are they sill making an impact from the grave? you know what champions have always had kits like that? Yorick KogMaw Karthus Sion

why in the fuck are people taking runes or fiora suddenly get access to really important features to the game?

im not saying the people taking guardian or fiora are OP, but the original purpose of the items do not say anything or were planned to have impact on the game even if they are dead.

Also honorable mention to item 3107 for being able to be activated after death

8 Comments

ZaneShadow3 votes

Um, not sure if this is super important to you, but you traded even with two mid-late game titans. The tower counts for being like .75 of a champion in the mid game. Getting tower dive by those two, it ended pretty well for an adc not grouped with her team. Ashe(and all adc for that fact) are lucky to have it End that well.

As for post mortem abilities, if you were that Fiora, you’d feel pretty good about yourself. I mean, knowing what that ability does, I get why it works after death. I might not like it, but I understand.

When you encounter a class/type of champions or abilities you hate, learn to deal with them. Karthus doesn’t die immediately? Time to back out for a bit. Sion literally gets his health bar back for a little? Time to lay in the stuns because it’ll end soon enough. Learning is key in LoL.

Like I said, not sure if you care. Good job on out mechanicing the Fiora. Sounds like your good at adc, a difficult role to say the least. May you please wind up on my team one day.

PhantomPrankster1 votes

{quoted}

Um, not sure if this is super important to you, but you traded even with two mid-late game titans. The tower counts for being like .75 of a champion in the mid game. Getting tower dive by those two, it ended pretty well for an adc not grouped with her team. Ashe(and all adc for that fact) are lucky to have it End that well.

As for post mortem abilities, if you were that Fiora, you’d feel pretty good about yourself. I mean, knowing what that ability does, I get why it works after death. I might not like it, but I understand.

When you encounter a class/type of champions or abilities you hate, learn to deal with them. Karthus doesn’t die immediately? Time to back out for a bit. Sion literally gets his health bar back for a little? Time to lay in the stuns because it’ll end soon enough. Learning is key in LoL.

Like I said, not sure if you care. Good job on out mechanicing the Fiora. Sounds like your good at adc, a difficult role to say the least. May you please wind up on my team one day.

"> When you encounter a class/type of champions or abilities you hate, learn to deal with them. Karthus doesn’t die immediately? Time to back out for a bit. Sion literally gets his health bar back for a little? Time to lay in the stuns because it’ll end soon enough. Learning is key in LoL."

-i don't have a problem with post mortem abilities, my problem is characters or items that weren't designed with that idea in mind using them.

"Um, not sure if this is super important to you, but you traded even with two mid-late game titans. The tower counts for being like .75 of a champion in the mid game. Getting tower dive by those two, it ended pretty well for an adc not grouped with her team. Ashe(and all adc for that fact) are lucky to have it End that well."

  • I don't even like playing ADC, riot made them so busted that im currently spamming ashe and getting mad LP for it

"As for post mortem abilities, if you were that Fiora, you’d feel pretty good about yourself. I mean, knowing what that ability does, I get why it works after death. I might not like it, but I understand. "

  • No i wouldn't, old fiora was a way better kit and she even looked better. this post mortem shit for characters who weren't planned to have it should not have it in their kit, thats seriously annoying especially since its info that isn't known.
warwiller1 votes

Aye

Onecimus1 votes

Fiora's ult is not a post-mortem ability. It's a buff that has been placed on your champion. And whether or not she is alive it can proc. Like an Ashe arrow still stunning you from across that map even tho she had already died. Or a Kayle ult still being active on someone even tho she is dead.

PhantomPrankster1 votes

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Fiora's ult is not a post-mortem ability. It's a buff that has been placed on your champion. And whether or not she is alive it can proc. Like an Ashe arrow still stunning you from across that map even tho she had already died. Or a Kayle ult still being active on someone even tho she is dead.

ok but ashe arrow is an ability that only requires using it to activate

kayle ult, only condition is using it.

fiora's ult requires her to hit 4 vitals in order to get that massive aoe heal. WHY IN THE FUCK is a completely different character, capable of activating her ultimate?

fiora's ult isn't a one step ult its a two step. you use ult then have to activate the vitals, or you use ult and kill the person. Alright fine cool, but if you kill fiora before she activates the heal, why can someone else that isn't fiora trigger it?

imagine if allied champions could use gang plank barrels, especially if he was dead. imagine if shen could still complete his ultimate even if his target died, imagine if people with CC could smack orn's ultimate around.

fiora getting away with this is seriously lazy game design and doesn't take skill at all.

LyingOnLine1 votes

"I got towerdove by two people and almost got 2 kills"

...So why are you complaining?

PhantomPrankster1 votes

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"I got towerdove by two people and almost got 2 kills"

...So why are you complaining?

just because i still succeed or win doesn't mean what i had to deal with is right.

ZaneShadow1 votes

Well, as for your response, I appreciate you reading it and thoughtfully answering it.

As for your first point about unintended Post-Mortem abilities, I don’t have an answer. Wish I did, but that’s a Design team thing and they are much smarter than me.

Well, glad you get the free LP. Though as a support main, I’ve seen plenaty of ADC’s. They have lots of weaknesses that my allies are very prone to forgetting and try to 1v1 Nasus or Yorick. If you don’t even like the role and you do that well, perhaps consider switching positions. Seems your pretty naturally talented at the role.

Well, can’t say much about reworks. Again, not a design team member. I benefited from a Taric rework, because I love the new champ, but I get someone somewhere hates changes to any champ. It sucks when it happens. Though out of taste, I do like the new Fiora design and kit. She is the best late game combination of Split push and Dueling. Others might be better at one of those things, but she is the ultimate combination of both.

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