I would say his ultimate is high on the list of invisible power because how hard it is to detect when he actually uses it. Most of the time the reason I know he used his ultimate is because I start taking a bunch of damage instead of being able notice him using it. Fix this please.
Crett37 votesIf it seems like you're winning against Trundle in an autoattack 1v1 that's your warning sign. You don't win 1v1s against Trundle.
Oakleaf Ranger2 votesCurrently its okay at seeing the signs in a 1v1 but when you start grouping and team fighting it becomes extremely difficult to determine if he is using his ultimate. The only indicator at that point is when you start taking a bunch of damage because you lost half you tank stats without realizing it.
MunchCrunchLunch1 votesthere are a cpl champs that beat trundle at 1v1s those are 
and 
tho those are the only two nobody else does. yi gets the easiest time because he doesn't build tanky. no stats for him to take.
jax beats him mid and late game and yi beats him pretty much after level 6.
outside that however he can 1v1 the other 129 champions easily. vayne can 1v1 him tho because vayne stuff.
PermabannedGaren1 votesthere are a cpl champs that beat trundle at 1v1s those are
tho those are the only two nobody else does. yi gets the easiest time because he doesn't build tanky. no stats for him to take.
jax beats him mid and late game and yi beats him pretty much after level 6.
Tryndamere beats him handily in the late game.
chubs12241 votesThat doesn't matter if the Trundle already has won the game because he kicks your ass from lvl 3 to lvl 11
LordGeovanni1 votesnot with an aoe shout that cut any ad he has far more than he can cut your ad its not max first though because people dont want to max it first and it can be very valuable in shutting down lane bullies
Jet Sett2 votesEspecially since Jax doesn't need to ult until Trundle does.
Spaceman5pff1 votesJust making Trundle's ult more effective!?
Baron of Bread8 votesTrundle's ult determines how much stats he will take on cast. Any changes to your stats thereafter will not affect how much Trundle takes.
Spaceman5pff1 votesOh ok. I did not know that.
Explanation for this not working? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx7gzAobpig
Baron of Bread2 votesThe amount of armor they can have converges. They can max out with armor up to a max of slightly less than 166.66% of the armor of the highest base armor Trundle. Warning: math below.
Trundle steals 40% of his targets armor, which is 2 fifths or 2 out of 5. If his target has 5 thirds or 5/3 of his armor (or 1 and 2 thirds of his armor), then he will steal a value equal to 2 thirds or 2/3 of his armor, leaving him with 1 and 2 thirds of his original armor.
If a Trundle steals more than 66% of his armor, he would not reach the amount of armor his target had. If a 100 armor Trundle steals from a 200 armor Trundle, the 100 armor Trundle ends up with 180 armor. So any overshooting of the 166% will go back down towards 166%.
The Trundles in the video have probably about 700 armor, so they should be capping somewhere around 1160, or about 166% of 700 (assuming that is their actual armor value).
TLDR: Read the first paragraph.
Spaceman5pff1 votesThanks, science side of LoL Community!
SpookyNeedle1 votesthere are a cpl champs that beat trundle at 1v1s those are
tho those are the only two nobody else does. yi gets the easiest time because he doesn't build tanky. no stats for him to take.
jax beats him mid and late game and yi beats him pretty much after level 6.
outside that however he can 1v1 the other 129 champions easily. vayne can 1v1 him tho because vayne stuff.
chubs12243 votesNah I usually win as trundle vs fiora.
SpookyNeedle1 votesNah I usually win as trundle vs fiora.
"Usually"
Which means not all the time, leading me to believe you have been 1v1'd by a before
WillSmithasaurus2 votesHe said that beat him, not can beat if outskilled, were talking generality here
TheHappyReaperz1 votes
Vitalita1 votesthere are a cpl champs that beat trundle at 1v1s those are
tho those are the only two nobody else does. yi gets the easiest time because he doesn't build tanky. no stats for him to take.
jax beats him mid and late game and yi beats him pretty much after level 6.
outside that however he can 1v1 the other 129 champions easily. vayne can 1v1 him tho because vayne stuff.
Pierce The Veal1 votesthere are a cpl champs that beat trundle at 1v1s those are
tho those are the only two nobody else does. yi gets the easiest time because he doesn't build tanky. no stats for him to take.
jax beats him mid and late game and yi beats him pretty much after level 6.
outside that however he can 1v1 the other 129 champions easily. vayne can 1v1 him tho because vayne stuff.
Logged in just to mention that Nocturne, too, can beat trundle in a 1v1.
Melledoneus1 votes
Oh, look. Food.
l Dárius l2 votesDarius loses post 6 in less he is already way ahead
CasterGilgamesh1 votes would like a word with you
Crett2 votesI've eaten (e.g. repeatedly chomped) many Dariuses alive as Trundle; not to say Darius never wins, but it can go Trundle's way pretty quick. But Fiora's just unreasonable
Tychusfindlay9191 votesIf it seems like you're winning against Trundle in an autoattack 1v1 that's your warning sign. You don't win 1v1s against Trundle.
A lot of champions can easily duel trundle even when he has ultimate up. Particularly duelist champs that can give a shit about itemizing a lot of tank.
Hell some of the more tankier champions can win 1v1's against trundle even when he has ult up considering certain conditions be met.
Crett1 votesWhat I mean is Trundle doesn't fight you 1v1 if he isn't going to win
Tychusfindlay9191 votesWhat I mean is Trundle doesn't fight you 1v1 if he isn't going to win
Thats tru for everyone playing every champ. Why 1v1 if you cant win?
CIickTheLantern12 votesI feel his increased size and the constant drain animation is enough. If you're the tank in teamfights, I'd expect it anyway.
Oakleaf Ranger16 votesTrundle is already a big guy and the size increase isn't noticeable enough. The white wind or essence that comes off you is also extremely hard to see and very easy to miss. I know I expect him to ult me if I'm the tank, but because of how easy it is to not notice his ultimate I usually end up attempting to retreat later rather than sooner due to poor clarity.
Azteryz3 votesplus the person he ults gets smaller
IPromiseTomorrow2 votesWhat serious!? I never noticed
Warlord Zudane3 votesAnd this is why people are asking for clarity.
IPromiseTomorrow2 votes^
Knalxz4 votesI say enhance the glow on Trundle when he ults. It should be quick and easy but unlike the Shen and Zliean changes, just adding a screen affect doesn't alert the rest of the team.
The best example I can think of is Tartarus from Halo 2.
No Ultimate http://img07.deviantart.net/a2ce/i/2012/167/5/d/tartarus_by_brutelady975-d53qbub.png
During Ultimate http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/8/8d/1205455325_Tartarus_with_his_Personal_Shield.png/revision/latest?cb=20080314004209
Slappybiscuit4 votesTrundle has so many animations issues associating with him. I dont care how noticeable people think his ult is, it needs to be fucking obvious. When I'm playing trundle i sometimes spam R because i cant tell if the ult casted or not.
then theres that stupid ass slugger skin... The trophy pillar radius is invisible and is bigger than it looks.
Leetri2 votesIt is obvious though. He screams a line, he grows in size, his target shrinks and there's blue lines connecting the two which shows the draining. Plus you both get a tooltip in the buff bar showing he's ulting you/you're ulting. And if you're the one ulting you'll also see it on the ult icon itself. They can't really do anything else than have a big text pop up and the announcer saying "Trundle has just used his ult".
Warlord Zudane4 votesSo other champions that have glowing rings, giant glows around them, sparkles, bright colors and other things that are easy enough to notice that someone not even playing the game would be able to identify? Like.. someone new maybe, someone that was playing against Trundle for the first time, or maybe someone watching Pro.
Yea, it shows some crap but I still can't catch exactly when Trundle does his ultimate when I'm also trying to keep an eye on Vayne, Blitz and Zyra and I know that there's still someone else that is hidden in the fog of war. You are saying I need to constantly watch my debuff bar and watch for when a specific champion changes size in the middle of a fight. If I look down at my map to see where allies are (to know if I should push or retreat or what direction to move) and I miss Trundle's size change, then how exactly am I meant to notice? Some white stuff around him? Not too easy to notice when also standing on his ice field which is glowing white. Also combine the fact that there's the Elder dragon buff that is glowing red that would hide the entire white visual and make it hard to see the animation.
People aren't asking for him to be reworked and nerfed into oblivion, just a simple visual indicator that he used his ultimate. Immunity got that treatment because it was obvious when you were watching but not obvious at a glance.
Slappybiscuit3 votesI want to be able to notice even if I'm drunk off my ass and forgot my own name. I want to be able to notice even if I raged and cracked my monitor. I want to be able to notice even I'm deaf and blind and using a touch screen braille iPad.
I want trundle to grow giant spikes protruding everywhere as he screams in agony, change colors and flash while troll blood is squirting out of everywhere. I want my mouse to vibrate while its active. I also want an icon above his head that's a picture of a trundles face grinning for the entire duration.
Or hell, something similar to when Darius gets full stacks on his passive would be fine.
statelesskiller4 votestrundle plays a animation when he ults someone. there is a distinct sound. theres those white whispy trails. he grows in size he starts healing a fuck ton and someone on your team shrinks and suddenly loses a chunk of health . . . i mean unless you want a big massive neon sign i dont think they CAN be much clearer
Only Play Darius3 votesHe gets bigger and you get smaller. What more clarity do you need?
Slappybiscuit2 votesI've never noticed, it should double his size and change his club to a more gnarly club. Because whatever the size differences are now aint cutting it.
ForeverLaxx3 votesFix what, exactly? Trundle grows in size while his ult is active and you get a debuff on your bar letting you know that you're weaker. What more could you possibly want from a game that already goes out of its way to inform the playerbase that "bad things are happening, better watch out"?
Raid Boss Morde2 votesIt doesn't just need visual clarity though, it also needs tooltip clarity.
Did you know that Trundle's ultimate has 100% magic pen for the heal? Because I didn't until Meddler clarified.
blkKalameet1 votesit clearly says that he heals for the premeditated damage, that seems pretty clear to me....
Raid Boss Morde2 votesWhere does it say that? Here's what it shows in-game
Velasan2 votesWhen he uses it Trundle turns giant, glows, and blue streaks go from the character he is draining to the champion.
It is hardly invisible. What more do you want them to do except have a message saying "WATCH OUT TRUNDLE IS USING HIS ULT TO DRAIN YOU!" ?
Tyto Mors2 votesits not really giant, he does get bigger, but i wouldnt say giant. and with the blue streaks, do you know who exactly he ulted in a teamfight when they arent near your allies. i wouldnt say it is invisible, but it needs more of an indicator, especially for the target during mid-teamfight. even just putting a bluish tint over the screen for the target would work, it might be overkill, but it'd work.
LordGeovanni1 votesThats bs buffs and debuffs show up right above the abilites bar but if you arent looking out for it you wont notice by that logic your screen should get slighly more red every time darius hits you with stack of bleed or your screen should trun yellow if ramaus taunts you. its just being lazy nd not checking what you should not to mention his ult takes time for its full effect
Tyto Mors2 votesi did say it might be overkill. but your blowing it up even more, its easier to notice when you get taunted because you can no longer command your champ from attacking the rammus with w and thornmail, while also not being able to cast abilities. and darius needs to be close enough to you to be even start putting stacks on you, and his ability are also rather highlighted in the way they are animated. trundle on the over hand can use his ult like a brk active. brk i find also needs a little bit more of an indicator, but at least you notice it mainly because it has a slow on it and you can see that quite easily without looking at the bottom of the screen, even during the fight. trundle ult, like you said takes time for its full effect, meaning you have no clue whos been ulted by him during the teamfight until its quite late. if your ulted then your still dont really aware of it until the biggest indicator is that your champ model shrunk a little bit. yes, you should look at the bottom of the screen every so often during fights, but you wont always be able to catch it during then.
and dont go on to say things like the same should apply for items like BC, because you are able to see the items they have, and are able to expect them easy because they apply on each hit or they have short enough cd's that you can expect it often, unless the trundles you see are hacking, they cant ult every few secs, and can only be used once during a team fight. and unlike items like youmuu's which as an immediate animation on the champion that has used it, but is then put on a moderate or long cd and not being used again during that same fight.
LordGeovanni1 votesright side bove the abilities bar ddebuffs show up if you dont know trundles visual indicator anything that pops up there you should be checking and if you see trundles ult icon you have been ulted. As far as for me even when i was a noob trundles visual indicator has been clear to me
Tyto Mors1 votesend of my first paragraph for dealing with debuffs on yourself.
for people who arent you who was ulted by trundle, its pretty hard to see who the fuck he ulted, until its too late, because the indicator, the grow/shrink thing is quite slow to actually show, so during a teamfight it can be a lil difficult to see until it actually happens. if it was something like mords ult, where it is instantly applied, showing something over the champs head, would probably be a far better solution then trying to see who was ulted and w'8ing a 1-2 secs before finding out, especially during a teamfight where visual information(like small blue streaks similar to bork) can be hard to see.
