@Meddler why are ap champions(mostly ap tanks) not punished for building off regulations?

Bultz··5 votes·1,082 views

Why are ap champions allowed to be tanky? And why are nearly all of the ap items given some form of defensive stat? Tanks such as Singed and Amumu and Alistar and others, are building ap items, but retain their tanks stats and do shit tons of damage and keep on tanking. Why is this allowed? How is that balanced?

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specter4243 votes

Same reason ad champions can buy black cleaver and tank items and still be relevant.

Bultz1 votes

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Same reason ad champions can buy black cleaver and tank items and still be relevant.

Well first off there are ad items that do both yes, but not nearly as much as ap. item 3001 item 3157 item 3029 item 3151 etc. Secondly Yasuo was nerfed for doing both ad and tank. So why shouldn't tanks be nerfed for doing the opposite? I can build amumu pure tank and still be ap with high damage with no drawbacks.

specter4241 votes

singed and alistar dont even do damage lmao

and i raise you item 3156 item 3071 item 3748 item 3078

the bullshit tanks that everyone cries about arent even building ap items

ModWulf Helhammer5 votes

"Singed doesn't do damage"

Well that's one of the dumbest things I've heard today

Bultz1 votes

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singed and alistar dont even do damage lmao

and i raise you item 3156 item 3071 item 3748 item 3078

the bullshit tanks that everyone cries about arent even building ap items

umm both do shit tons of damage wtf?

yes those are tanky items, but who builds all of them other than tops who tank? yasuo doesn't build hydra, but u can bet brand will build rylais.

Ralanr1 votes

Maw isn't a tank item. It's a hybrid offensive/defensive anti magic burst item.

If it gave health then it might consider a tank item.

TF isn't a tank item either. It and BC are bruiser items. In fact, all of those items are bruiser items.

Julanus1 votes

AP Alistar hurts a lot.

AP Malphite hurts a lot.

AP Singed... can hurt a lot, but relies on people to stay in his poison trail.

TwinkiePro2 votes

Alistar has no sustained damage but good burst. But all useless because he will still die. Singed on the other hand, jeez man you have no idea :P

BakedLotion1 votes

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Well first off there are ad items that do both yes, but not nearly as much as ap. item 3001 item 3157 item 3029 item 3151 etc. Secondly Yasuo was nerfed for doing both ad and tank. So why shouldn't tanks be nerfed for doing the opposite? I can build amumu pure tank and still be ap with high damage with no drawbacks.

Cooldowns. AD can auto attack while ap tanks need their spells. Also AD champs have good offensive options too. They have titanic hydra, cleaver,steraks,maw, LIFESTEAL, merc scimitar, triforce and many many more

Bultz1 votes

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Cooldowns. AD can auto attack while ap tanks need their spells. Also AD champs have good offensive options too. They have titanic hydra, cleaver,steraks,maw, LIFESTEAL, merc scimitar, triforce and many many more

AP doesn't do as much auto yes, but most of them are op strong and can kill with one hit. So giving them tankier items is broken. lifesteal = item 3165 countered. tank items such are hydra which gives you health, yup, item 3151 countered. merc scim, steraks, triforce, all out played by ap kits which are nearly all stuns and roots and slows and etc.

BakedLotion2 votes

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AP doesn't do as much auto yes, but most of them are op strong and can kill with one hit. So giving them tankier items is broken. lifesteal = item 3165 countered. tank items such are hydra which gives you health, yup, item 3151 countered. merc scim, steraks, triforce, all out played by ap kits which are nearly all stuns and roots and slows and etc.

LMAOO I CAN SAY THE SAME THING ABOUT AD. Maw and steraks counters that ap oneshot! Steraks triforce and scim counter those stun roots and slows! AD counters all ap items because they get outplayed by damage and sustain!

Are you fucking literally bronze? The whole point of merc scim is to counter CC. Lol ap counters ITEMS? Totally not the player getting ouplayed. Its the item getting outplayed.

The amount of stupidity you spit out is too much

LaserDeathBlade2 votes

Because Lifesteal actually gives you a massive health pool as long as you can hit stuff

Bultz1 votes

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Because Lifesteal actually gives you a massive health pool as long as you can hit stuff

item 3165 annnnnnnd the lifesteal is gone.

Julanus1 votes

Only if the target is below 35% Health.

item 3123 on the other hand...

Bultz1 votes

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Only if the target is below 35% Health.

item 3123 on the other hand...

yeah, but considering most can nearly one hit you, getting you to 35% hp isn't that hard.

Meep Man2 votes

HEY! Don't touch Singed.

Bultz1 votes

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HEY! Don't touch Singed.

kill singed.

Ralanr2 votes

Because AP bruiser items and most tanks synergize well due to most tanks having AP scalings.

Pretty sure we only have 3 tanks with AD scalings.

Spartan Sol1 votes

AP tank items.. ROA,Liandrys,Abyssal,Zhonyas AD tanky items.. Maw,titanic,cleaver,mallet,triforce(gives hp), and steraks kinda. so 4 main items to 6 main items AP vs AD. meanwhile AD champs can build straight tank and do damage.. AP based champs do 0 damage on a true tank build. id like to see a ahri do damage with a randuins spirit visage and ect.. yasuo roflstomped almost everyone with 1 real damage item.. if you see one of the champs building AP you wanna know how to counter it???? build MR...

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