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Rework Garen.

Bultz··1 votes·1,462 views

I'm tired of a new players champion being so overstocked. Older players abuse it to much. His E gives him major advantages in farming. He remains tanky no matter what he builds. I've seen him tank turret hits to hard with just cleaver, I call bs. He does a shit ton of damage regardless of how the player is doing. You build Armor against him his ult does magic damage. You build mr his ult does mixed or true damage. Idk if that is a a death screen error or is his his is actually changing in damage type, but fuck that.

I either want his Q to no longer have a silence, because being unable to flash or do basically anything while he E's you is buillshit, or all of his base states lowered. You can't out run him because of his free ms boost. you wont AA him to death. Garen isn't a mechanic champion marvel to justify all these bullshit playstyles meant for basic entry level players. I've literally build pure hp on him and ended up with 26 kill because My base stats are so damn high that I just outlived everyone and based stated them to death, and if they got close to killing me, whoosh deadmans, boots and free ms to the rescue to never die.

If his balance is meant for new players, make it so. I don't care how he is doing in any ranks. It's clear he is too simple and easy to play to justify his stats.

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Moody P5 votes

No.

Total Atrophy7 votes

He went 1/10 in twisted treeline to a Garen, “Rework Garen.”

Oof.

Bultz1 votes

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Kídá6 votes

Looking at your OP.GG, I imagine that your client crashes a lot.

Bultz1 votes

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Looking at your OP.GG, I imagine that your client crashes a lot.

Feel free to 1v1 me mr. imma hide my match history.

Kídá6 votes

Ah yes the "1v1 me bro" reply, a classic. This salt thread is going by the book lol

Bultz1 votes

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Ah yes the "1v1 me bro" reply, a classic. This salt thread is going by the book lol

Prove you're better than me or keep it shut, simple.

Ralanr5 votes

Or, and this is gonna sound crazy, both of you can act like adults and move on.

LittleDemonTrist1 votes

Adults are boring

Kídá1 votes

Will do

Critmaster Garen2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IPzraHdx,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-11-05T15:04:45.079+0000)

No.

i wouldnt complain if the removed the cap on his passive resistance stacks on his w, and gave him atmas reckoning passive directly into his kit, in exchange for villainy.

plus, add an attack speed scaling to his spin to give him more spins for building bonus attack speed, and were golden. we could efficiently build crit again, if we wanted to.

people want villainy removed? fine, let him become more threatening the longer he stays in combat, similar to darius and have him scale harder into lategame off his w passive in return.

Moody P2 votes

that's asking too much all at once.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IPzraHdx,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2018-11-05T15:26:51.638+0000)

that's asking too much all at once.

considering how much of his power budget is in the villainy passive, i dont think so.

and an attack speed scaling on his spin wouldnt factor into the same build that synergizes with the other changes. if youre building crit, youre not maximizing the % hp to ad conversion, and the passive resistances. if youre building health to maximize resistances and atmas passive, youre not building attack speed.

DarukongSr1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IPzraHdx,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-11-05T15:14:44.376+0000)

i wouldnt complain if the removed the cap on his passive resistance stacks on his w, and gave him atmas reckoning passive directly into his kit, in exchange for villainy.

plus, add an attack speed scaling to his spin to give him more spins for building bonus attack speed, and were golden. we could efficiently build crit again, if we wanted to.

people want villainy removed? fine, let him become more threatening the longer he stays in combat, similar to darius and have him scale harder into lategame off his w passive in return.

Hmm, changes are fine, but an uncapped stacking w is not. I wouldn't mind if it was increased by 50-75%, but not uncapped. That sounds like a nightmare waiting to happen.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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Hmm, changes are fine, but an uncapped stacking w is not. I wouldn't mind if it was increased by 50-75%, but not uncapped. That sounds like a nightmare waiting to happen.

meh. other champions get infinite lategame scaling too. i dont see the issue.

and with infinity edge and conqueror in the game, resistances mean less than they used to anyway. if you think about it, in an average game it would mean an additional 15 to 20 points of resistances if you kept powerfarming until 30 minutes.

the max health % damage on garens spin is huge, and so is his ult dealing true damage. if they were to remove villainy, i want something equally worthwile in return, and thats a lot.

DarukongSr1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IPzraHdx,comment-id=0000000100010000,timestamp=2018-11-05T22:17:07.691+0000)

meh. other champions get infinite lategame scaling too. i dont see the issue.

and with infinity edge and conqueror in the game, resistances mean less than they used to anyway. if you think about it, in an average game it would mean an additional 15 to 20 points of resistances if you kept powerfarming until 30 minutes.

the max health % damage on garens spin is huge, and so is his ult dealing true damage. if they were to remove villainy, i want something equally worthwile in return, and thats a lot.

Yeah but I don't believe that many infinite scaling champs are altogether well designed champs in the first place. Besides, i.e., and Conquerors are their own problems and the true damage from those sources needs to be removed in favor of something more fair and less gimmicky. Besides, an extra 15-20 of BOTH armor and Mr on top of what he already received would still be pretty damn powerful. I don't think garen should get tankier beyond that because he would literally become unkillable for anyone other than vayne or you, both of which are also poorly designed champs. I think a combination of a higher stack cap on W with a beefier q in mid to late game and maybe some other small buff would be plenty compensation for losing villainy, and much healthier. Like perhaps to make up for some of the percent ho and true damage from villainy, he could gain a small percent ho bonus damage for every X amount of damage or lethality built. Or he could return a certain % of damage mitigated during his W on his next Q when the duration is over as a way to add more thought into how he is played and played against. Say, if he mitigates 1,500 damage for the whole Week duration, his next Q deals 33% of that (500 damage) as an added bonus, or something to that effect that, combined with a higher stack cap, which make up for the loss of villainy, but also add depth to the types of build or timing strategies that garen mains could employ. Simply adding unlimited stack cap would make him pretty OP and even more boring because no thought would be involved in stacking other than afk farm.

DarukongSr1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IPzraHdx,comment-id=0000000100010000,timestamp=2018-11-05T22:17:07.691+0000)

meh. other champions get infinite lategame scaling too. i dont see the issue.

and with infinity edge and conqueror in the game, resistances mean less than they used to anyway. if you think about it, in an average game it would mean an additional 15 to 20 points of resistances if you kept powerfarming until 30 minutes.

the max health % damage on garens spin is huge, and so is his ult dealing true damage. if they were to remove villainy, i want something equally worthwile in return, and thats a lot.

Oh and your AS scaling idea seems interesting and potentially worth trying out to give him more build strategies

ThisName1sDumb3 votes

His ult does bonus true damage when you are the "villain", it's not just because you built MR.

True Garen3 votes

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I'm tired of a new players champion being so overstocked. Older players abuse it to much. His E gives him major advantages in farming.

Actually, Garen E is bad for farming. He can miss a lot of last-hits with E, and it pushes lane. It is good for tower-clear though...

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