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Why does Riot bend over for the pros but ignore 85% of the player base?

LegendmakerGX··11 votes·1,765 views

So lately I realize how Riot bends over for the Pro players but for the other players (Platnium and below) they tell us to go fuk off.

-Pros say that dynamic duo is horrible for rank, some how Riot listened to them and pretty much took it out >FOR< Diamond and up which is stupid of them ignoring 85% of the players in rank who hate it.

-Sand box which players want to badly but Riot said "NOOOOO IT RUINS THE FUN FOR THE GAME". Hai comes out and says he disagree with Riot reason of no sandbox. Ends up we are getting a sand box.

The pass 4 patches were revolved around worlds for some reason. Yes some champion needs a nerf for worlds but my eyes caught something so stupid that it question Riot balancing team logic. >Lee SIN< We haven't seen him for just 1 SPLIT and instantly he is getting a buff and for Riot reason to buffing him was because he wasn't seeing a lot of plays. Like wtf Riot you want to know what champions that haven't seen a lot of plays? Nunu Singed Maokai Shyvana Buff these champion so they can be useful in the pro scene before you come out with a stupid reason like "WE HAVEN'T BEEN SEEING LEE SIN LATELY" which was only 1 split.

Literally I see that the players voice which i mean 90% of the player base feed back means no shit to Riot unless a Pro bitch them out in public.

33 Comments

Jack Jack Attack5 votes

for the majority of lol players (gold, silver, bronze), dynamic queue is a saving grace. everyone complains, but if riot switched back to the wild west where literally everyone in low elos was toxic af because most people can only play 1 or 2 roles, it would destroy the game at low elos. the queue system helps that. the dynamic(lul) between a bunch of low tier silvers is different than in challenger/master. there are only 200 spots in challenger, it needs to be the most competitive. meanwhile, there are countless spots in silver and every other elo besides master/challenger. so games being competitive doesnt really matter because you most likely wont get queued up against the same people next game. at least if you are in the majority of players. now, what im about to say may as well be heresy. BUT....Riot is not an evil company out to ruin your life. or anyones for that matter. whatever they do, they do because they think it can help. it doesnt always, but give them a little bit of credit. they are an incredibly tiny company trying to run the worlds most played game. like jesus christ. its impossible to cater to that many people, let alone with a small company. so shut up and play the game, which i know you will because just like everyone else, you cant quit this great game. (which riot made)

ProfDrDeath2 votes

incredibly tiny company

Agree with what you're saying, except this. Riot is not a tiny company anymore.

They might still be fairly small compared to the video game industry's giants, but they are not a small indie developer anymore. FFS, they are making the most popular game in the World, the biggest E-Sport in the world, and are working on creating an infrastructure that will eventually benefit more online games - I am talking about Riot Direct and the associated processes, which will eventually be a boon to all online games.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

but if riot switched back to the wild west where literally everyone in low elos was toxic af because most people can only play 1 or 2 roles, it would destroy the game at low elos.

While I might be misinterpreting what you are saying, I feel like you are confusing Dynamic Queue with the new Champion Select.

  • New Champion Select is responsible for letting players choose their preferred role (i.e. Jungle / Mid)
  • Dynamic Queue is responsible for premade groups being able to play together

We could easily keep role selection while preventing premade groups in ranked.

Theorchero5 votes

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So lately I realize how Riot bends over for the Pro players but for the other players (Platnium and below) they tell us to go fuk off.

-Pros say that dynamic duo is horrible for rank, some how Riot listened to them and pretty much took it out &gt;FOR&lt; Diamond and up which is stupid of them ignoring 85% of the players in rank who hate it.

DQ impacted diamond the most.

-Sand box which players want to badly but Riot said &quot;NOOOOO IT RUINS THE FUN FOR THE GAME&quot;. Hai comes out and says he disagree with Riot reason of no sandbox. Ends up we are getting a sand box.

Every pro player ever wants sandbox. Hell, every fucking player bitched for it. The resulting attention in the COMMUNITY is what brought Riot around.

The pass 4 patches were revolved around worlds for some reason. Yes some champion needs a nerf for worlds but my eyes caught something so stupid that it question Riot balancing team logic. &gt;Lee SIN&lt; We haven&#039;t seen him for just 1 SPLIT and instantly he is getting a buff and for Riot reason to buffing him was because he wasn&#039;t seeing a lot of plays. Like wtf Riot you want to know what champions that haven&#039;t seen a lot of plays?

Lee has been trash for a while now because of the base stat and kit removal part nerfs. His early clear was ASS and while he had decent damage and mobility for other ganks he was completely outclassed by other junglers because they would come out of the jungle much healthier while dealing similar damage and having as much mobility.

Nunu Singed Maokai Shyvana Buff these champion so they can be useful in the pro scene before you come out with a >stupid reason like &quot;WE HAVEN&#039;T BEEN SEEING LEE SIN LATELY&quot; which was only 1 split.

You do NOT want them to be viable in the lcs. Because of their kits, the only way for them to be viable in the LCS is for them to be over tuned as fuck. They would be BROKEN in solo queue. Stop asking for stupid, ignorant shit.

Literally I see that the players voice which i mean 90% of the player base feed back means no shit to Riot unless a Pro bitch them out in public.

No, all you're doing is whining and coming up with excuses as to why we can't have a perfect world. If you think logically and rationally just about every decision Riot has made lately, with the inclusion of removing DQ next season and and introducing sandbox, they have made the right ones. Just because they don't match your personal, specific tastes doesn't mean the world is going to end.

Riot cannot and will not balance for low elos simply because low elo is garbage tier play. The vast majority of things that players complain about in strong solo queue champions have weaknesses that can be clearly exploited if you aren't utter shit at the game. So no, apart from making sure that certain champs aren't destroying low elo queue by making them viable in higher level play, they are going to balance for higher level play because it's the smart, rational thing to do.

By the way, if they did what you wanted and made Nunu Singed Maokai Shyvana viable in high elo (Maokai still is, Gnar is just overtuned atm and shifts meta around him), then they would DESTROY your shit in low elo because low elo has no living clue how to adapt to them.

DunkinNoobs5 votes

Because for the pros, their complaints about DQ are actually legitimate. The random whining from some silver scrub is not. Queue times and massively imbalanced matching were enormous problems at the highest elos; Plat and below? Not so much.

Blanchimont5 votes

Dynamic Queue is a problem at all stages of the game regardless of whether it is Bronze or Challenger. Matchmaking is still heavily imbalanced with premades being favored. Players need to be subject to the same rules and conditions in order for the ranking system to be accurate. All they've done is messed it up even further by adding another queue into the ranked rating. It's been almost a year and Dynamic Queue is still a broken piece of crap.

CerealBoxOfDoom3 votes

riot spents 9/10ths of the year kissing your ass so you can come back and bitch about it later like they've never given you anything

during tournament season they balance things for the pros and leave your ungrateful ass in the dust where it belongs

Then when winter comes they will come and make you feel good with some changes and you'll shut the fuck up like a little baby and the cycle will repeat itself...

that's aout how it goes

Lovelle1 votes

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riot spents 9/10ths of the year kissing your ass so you can come back and bitch about it later like they've never given you anything

during tournament season they balance things for the pros and leave your ungrateful ass in the dust where it belongs

Then when winter comes they will come and make you feel good with some changes and you'll shut the fuck up like a little baby and the cycle will repeat itself...

that's aout how it goes

SR players maybe and, to a lower extent, ARAM players. Everyone else either gets the shaft or SR's sloppy seconds.

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

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SR players maybe and, to a lower extent, ARAM players. Everyone else either gets the shaft or SR's sloppy seconds.

real aram players go customs

no need to balance for the posers lol

ItsOrval3 votes

Pros are what keeps the game alive in their opinion

2yordles1cupcake2 votes

Dont forget to add keystones to that list.

ofart2 votes

nonsense

Lovelle2 votes

Muh LCS Muh Big plays Muh $$$

Gary B Enkelis1 votes

http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/competitive/riot-pls-ranked-pls

Dynamic queue is still failing to meet many of your needs. More specifically, it’s undermined competitive integrity at the highest levels of play. It’s taken us too long to get here and we apologize for the delay.

Hey they apologized.

Challenger tier will shift to pure solo, and Diamond and Master tiers to solo/duo. We’re making this change first at Diamond / Master / Challenger because even minor levels of premade coordination have disproportionate effects on match quality at the highest tiers of ranked, given the limitations of the player pool and the sometimes massive skill disparities between single divisions.

Whatever that means. Sounds like they're starting at the top of the rank "pyramid" and moving down. Patience is a virtue.

I think they do listen to below Plat players, but it's also no secret that Plat+ is their focus too: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/jLGvQ3Wk-before-you-make-a-post-about-balance

LegendmakerGX6 votes

....They apologized and that's it? I'm not sure what you mean that they are moving down. It has already been said by Riot they will only let duo and solo que be for diamond and up for next season, So i don't get what you mean by be patient?

Gary B Enkelis1 votes

Well my assumption from reading

We’re making this change first at Diamond / Master / Challenger

is that they're going to move to plat, then gold, then silver, then bronze.... Maybe they'll do the batch all at once if their challenger/master/diamond experiment works. I dunno.

At least they apologized and are telling us their thoughts.

PokeBlaze1 votes

Plat im not so sure, but Gold and below will most likely not be receiving a change to dynamic queue because the problem was really only

at the higher level since they are a small portions of the league community meaning it is harder to balance game. That why their were

issues with queuing taking forever, you didn't get your selected role, and 5 man vs solos . That isn't a problem in gold and below since we

make up such a large percentage of the community

also with regards to the apology it really means nothing without any clear action being taken to fix the problem they are apologizing for

Gary B Enkelis1 votes

But they are saying they're changing.

PokeBlaze1 votes

I know. I don't agree with the statement that riots completely ignores our portion of the community i was saying that dynamic queue changes is probably not gonna be something that trickles down to the lower ranks

I still agree with the apology thing tho they have not just say sorry, but i guess thats what caused the mix up that made it seem like i agreed with the whole bending over for pros thing

Spoofghoul1 votes

''experiment''

dude we had an alpha and a beta and 5 seasons of soloqueue

dynamic queue is the experiment here and it failed.

i could live with dynamic queue in bronze/silver/gold with the one exception that you always have to play promo games solo

Gary B Enkelis1 votes

LoL is a constantly changing game.

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

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Like wtf Riot you want to know what champions that haven&#039;t seen a lot of plays? Nunu Singed Maokai Shyvana Buff these champion so they can be useful in the pro scene before you come out with a stupid reason like &quot;WE HAVEN&#039;T BEEN SEEING LEE SIN LATELY&quot; which was only 1 split.

these champions have seen play recently, all of them except for maokai who is never going to be allowed to be strong again. He was lucky he got a little time in toplane.

Maokai dives you from wraithcamp, too tanky to die. Can poke you under tower without even being a laner, just something he does passively while invading. Lockdown combos all day long. When he is strong this game is not fun.. Lee Sin is healthy by comparison

Shyvana My fucking lord did you miss what happened in season 3 and 5? First juggaurnauts were mowing team's down and then she gets that damn jungle rework that had her quadruplet fanging and burning down towers like it was nobody's business

Nunu Are you fucking kidding me? level 1 dragon, 15 minute solobaron, counter jungles you and escapes with ease because his poke isn't worth chasing and he gets too much free hp. And now he's got his poppy combo and Ivern, he doesn't need to be strong again. Maybe if he goes support again but honestly he was a kindof bullshit support too

Singed Just no. There has never been a healthy game with a strong singed ever

LegendmakerGX1 votes

You are the definition of a person who needs a chill pill bud. Either your bad at the game or just trash.

Maokai He isn't too tanky to die after his nerf because he got played in LCS which was last season, how you suck at getting poked by his sapling shows you are bad, it is 95% the easiest thing to dodge when he throws it and you can bait it out by just going near it and running away making it detonate early.

Shyvana She got a jungle rework? you mean sated devour which XinZhao MasterYi Kayle Shyvana abuse? She also got nerf because of Riot stupid decision for making sated devour and not fixing that broken jungle item. Now sated is gone but she still is stuck with the nerf.

Nunu This makes my head hurt of your stupidity on knowing the game, either you are bronze or just tinfoil because of how dumb you are knowing Nunu. Have you played Nunu? When the hell can he solo a dragon at level 1 or solo a baron at 15 minute alone? O yes he can counter jungle but he sucks when it gets to mid/late game his only damage is snow ball and his ult is pretty much trash since he has to channel it to even get to full damage but that is even hard since he can get CC so easily like WW ult. (To the part where you say he can solo a dragon at level 1 shows that you don't know jack shit about what you are talking about because Nunu Q has a long cool down).

Singed ??? He was not healthy? His damage is only Q which is a EXTREMELY high risk to even use from the start to late game because with so much top champion that are range or do % max health damage. So I don't get how you mean he is strong ? You must be the type of players who don't know the common sense of don't chase after Singed.

All your comment on the champions are just beyond stupid showing how you rarely know anything about the game. Don't type stuff if you have no clue on how to play these champions.

CerealBoxOfDoom2 votes

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You are the definition of a person who needs a chill pill bud. Either your bad at the game or just trash.

Maokai He isn't too tanky to die after his nerf because he got played in LCS which was last season, how you suck at getting poked by his sapling shows you are bad, it is 95% the easiest thing to dodge when he throws it and you can bait it out by just going near it and running away making it detonate early.

it wasn't LCS it was worlds and the next time he got out of his cage he was shitting on toplane like it wasn't even funny.

no

Shyvana She got a jungle rework? you mean sated devour which XinZhao MasterYi Kayle Shyvana abuse? She also got nerf because of Riot stupid decision for making sated devour and not fixing that broken jungle item. Now sated is gone but she still is stuck with the nerf.

every damn time...

that shyv has bee strong the meta has been oppressive. Over and over she has had her chances. Compared to lee sin who has seen many fine meta states.

no

Nunu This makes my head hurt of your stupidity on knowing the game, either you are bronze or just tinfoil because of how dumb you are knowing Nunu. Have you played Nunu? When the hell can he solo a dragon at level 1 or solo a baron at 15 minute alone? O yes he can counter jungle but he sucks when it gets to mid/late game his only damage is snow ball and his ult is pretty much trash since he has to channel it to even get to full damage but that is even hard since he can get CC so easily like WW ult. (To the part where you say he can solo a dragon at level 1 shows that you don't know jack shit about what you are talking about because Nunu Q has a long cool down).

Math does not give one shit about how well you think you know this game.

You buff a champ like nunu and stupid things happen

btw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzfQhB9RGv4

Git rek'd

Singed ??? He was not healthy? His damage is only Q which is a EXTREMELY high risk to even use from the start to late game because with so much top champion that are range or do % max health damage. So I don't get how you mean he is strong ? You must be the type of players who don't know the common sense of don't chase after Singed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDR26n82PRY

Learn how to read before you go around acting like someone is a dumb fuck. I told you all this based off what happens when they ARE ALLOWED TO BE STRONG. I've made no comment on their current healthier state outside of an allusion to their being healthier than they would have been with buffs.

All your comment on the champions are just beyond stupid showing how you rarely know anything about the game. Don't type stuff if you have no clue on how to play these champions.

You know nothing

LegendmakerGX1 votes

Maokai Was not shitting on top the only reason why he was played in the world was because he can root the enemy without needing a skill shot and most importantly his ult to reduce damage on the team and that was it. Just his ult was the reason why he was saw in worlds.

Shyvana Wait wait? She is not strong meta any more she use to be able to top most of the time but now she is resorted to only jungle because of how out meta she is. Lee sin has been played in EVERY SINGLE LCS/LCK/EU split and worlds for the past 5 years and you are telling me he deserve a buff just because he wasn't played for 1 split?.

Nunu Hope you realize he took the exact runes and mastries to solo dragon because that is not the runes or keystone you even EVER use on a nunu. That's why he did a solo game to show it, if it was normal then GG that would never work because those runes are not even the right runes to use for nunu and did you see his key stone?

Singed ....This proves my point you know nothing and either 1 suck at the game or just see a youtube video or go on Curse to look up build and think you know how to play them. Did that Singed do a single shit all game other then free farm because the enemy team was getting destroyed without him even doing anything? O yeah and it looks like the enemy had trolls on their team too buddy. So I don't understand what you mean, P.S he was vsing a Malphite so no crap he would cs well. Malphite has one of the hardest time CSing and I bet he didn't even build AP for damage because he is suppose to build tank for team fight, but what can he do if the team get shit on before the 20 min mark?

Don't tell some one they know nothing when it seem like you are the type of trash that goes on youtube and watch a video thinking you know how to play or say they are OP because you see something other players did.

CerealBoxOfDoom2 votes

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Maokai Was not shitting on top the only reason why he was played in the world was because he can root the enemy without needing a skill shot and most importantly his ult to reduce damage on the team and that was it. Just his ult was the reason why he was saw in worlds.

shitting on top was just an unlucky moment of power for him

Before that he was dive ganking at level 2 in a meta where he was strong.

He was never allowed to be so strong again.

Shyvana Wait wait? She is not strong meta any more she use to be able to top most of the time but now she is resorted to only jungle because of how out meta she is. Lee sin has been played in EVERY SINGLE LCS/LCK/EU split and worlds for the past 5 years and you are telling me he deserve a buff just because he wasn't played for 1 split?.

I'm saying she DOESNT deserve a buff because the meta that resulted was nowhere near as healthy as the one created with lee sin.

Make up your mind, are you bitching and moaning about lee sin or actually arguing that a strong shyvanna is somehow good for the meta?

Nunu Hope you realize he took the exact runes and mastries to solo dragon because that is not the runes or keystone you even EVER use on a nunu. That's why he did a solo game to show it, if it was normal then GG that would never work because those runes are not even the right runes to use for nunu and did you see his key stone?

Don't bullshit. You act like I'm a fucking scrub because you can't even fathom something like nunu doing level 1 solodragon? Yes, he can and when he's too strong shit just gets worse! The point of the video isn't to show how OP nunu is, I get if that's as far as your thickassed skill can read into it but the point is that nunu is that a champ that is simply buffed back into a healthy and fun meta

Singed ....This proves my point you know nothing and either 1 suck at the game or just see a youtube video or go on Curse to look up build and think you know how to play them. Did that Singed do a single shit all game other then free farm because the enemy team was getting destroyed without him even doing anything? O yeah and it looks like the enemy had trolls on their team too buddy. So I don't understand what you mean, P.S he was vsing a Malphite so no crap he would cs well. Malphite has one of the hardest time CSing and I bet he didn't even build AP for damage because he is suppose to build tank for team fight, but what can he do if the team get shit on before the 20 min mark?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuT_zjGHnI0

How fucking new are you? If you think this is about some curse build just shut the fuck up, you know nothing.

Don't tell some one they know nothing when it seem like you are the type of trash that goes on youtube and watch a video thinking you know how to play or say they are OP because you see something other players did.

I showed you a video because you act like you know shit. You obviously don't. It was easier than typing it out ASSUMING YOU ACTUALLY KNOW ANYTHING

LegendmakerGX1 votes

Just asking before I even go on, have you even played these champion? When i mean play I mean play then more then 10 games each in a real normal/rank match? Or do you just play them in aram? Since you seem like you don't know shit about them. This also mean in season 6 that you played this more then 10 time for each of the champion we are talking about.

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

Don't go on! You don't know what the fuck you're talking about! "Playing them" 1000000 times per season wouldn't give you the knowledge you needed to do anything more than pretend you're even talking about the same thing.

LegendmakerGX1 votes

Lmao if you are smart every season change for certain lanes except for mid which only see item nerf. Highly doubt you even have the skills to even talk about these champions bud.

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

Skill? What skill do you mean? This is not a matter of skill but insight into patterns brought about by questionable designs. Do you think Riot doesn't buff these champs simply because they are too lazy?

JafarThePanda1 votes

Maokai got played in worlds and was a pick ban for a while.

TyroneWatermelon1 votes

$$$

legionnaire991 votes

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