"Jarvan IV leaps to an enemy champion and creating a circle of impassable terrain"

KONO RUBICK DA·Aug 16, 2015·116 votes·7,022 views

impassable:impossible to travel along or over.

107 Comments

BeoridasAug 16, 201547 votes

i think it should be impassable but to few exceptions (like Malphite unstoppable force) but definately disagree on Vayne being able to tumble out or Kalista to jump out.

Duke AnaxAug 16, 20157 votes

The crater acts as any other terrain of so much width.

Any dash abbility of enough length can go through any wall thin enough.

The crater is quite thin so everything is working as expected.

SmokinSickStyleAug 16, 201527 votes

Azir

IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS "IMPASSABLE" it's not just terrain, you can't walk in terrain, you can dash\blink through it, Jarvan should be updated so that only well placed BLINKS can get away from it.

KONO RUBICK DAAug 16, 201510 votes

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IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS "IMPASSABLE" it's not just terrain, you can't walk in terrain, you can dash\blink through it, Jarvan should be updated so that only well placed BLINKS can get away from it.

this, he needs this buff to be unique and viable without buffing his damage/cd

DurzakaAug 16, 20155 votes

blocking enemy champion movement and dashes

Azir's ultimate SPECIFICALLY states it stops movement and dashes.

Jarvan's simply acts like every other wall in the entire game.

KONO RUBICK DAAug 16, 20152 votes

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blocking enemy champion movement and dashes

Azir's ultimate SPECIFICALLY states it stops movement and dashes.

Jarvan's simply acts like every other wall in the entire game.

but vayne Q and riven Ee can go through it... and even impassale is not blocking dash and jump, it should because it is useless right now

DurzakaAug 16, 20153 votes

His ult is far from useless right now.

And his ult walls are thinner than normal walls, hence why Vayne and Riven can go through them.

ChaosThiefAug 17, 20153 votes

You clearly are missing the point. Those abilities can not pass through normal terrain. You never see vaynes tumbling over walls, do you?

LaceUp23Aug 17, 20152 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G49t4r0G3SU

BergkAug 17, 20154 votes

Riot just needs to reword his ult's tooltip. I don't think they need to make it harder to get out of.

Malicious FuryAug 17, 20152 votes

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Riot just needs to reword his ult's tooltip. I don't think they need to make it harder to get out of.

^ This

Doctor JarvisAug 16, 201531 votes

But Vayne specifically can;t tumble over normal terrain, why can she tumble out of cataclysm

Yosuke ApperuAug 16, 201515 votes

Why tumble out of it, when she can just condemn jarvan into his own ult and kill him XD (I have vayne)

A Miss FortuneAug 16, 20155 votes

I've seen almost every high elo Vayne player do it, It's pretty sad that like Bard's ultimate, Jarvan's ultimate can much more easily hurt his team than help them.

LaceUp23Aug 16, 201533 votes

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/228/734/Jarvan.jpg

KnalxzAug 17, 20152 votes

WTF is that bird thing?

Kappa

Edit: Apparently I've offended all the Anivia mains.

OyddAWqJ5rAug 17, 20156 votes

Snow Day Azir

BuzzinTateAug 18, 20151 votes

I propose a jarvan rework that is focused on his spear.

something something jarvans sphere extends until it hits an enemy champion something something pentakill

Titanium70Aug 16, 20152 votes

Well she actually can - or better she could if more small walls would exist besides that on River-Wall. :P

lDontLiftIcarryAug 16, 20153 votes

actually can tumble over normal terrian, the spots are jsut so miniscule that in a game where you're constantly repositioning and not standing still finding the 1-5 pixels worth of space to do it is impossible.

Icestar1186Aug 16, 20158 votes

Vayne Q and Riven E do not pass through walls of any width. Except Jarvan's.

Soul of SelesnyaAug 16, 20153 votes

As commented above, pretty much the only wall that Vayne can tumble through is the river wall. Every other wall is too thick. She can tumble brought walls however.

lead pencilAug 16, 20151 votes

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The crater acts as any other terrain of so much width.

Any dash abbility of enough length can go through any wall thin enough.

The crater is quite thin so everything is working as expected.

But Vayne can't tumble through thin walls.

Duke AnaxAug 16, 20151 votes

she can tumble through the thin walls at river towards red buff and the one opposite the Dragon/Baron pit. She can also tumble through base gates.

KONO RUBICK DAAug 16, 20151 votes

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she can tumble through the thin walls at river towards red buff and the one opposite the Dragon/Baron pit. She can also tumble through base gates.

She can't go through any walls, it is said in http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Vayne

tumble can not go over walls, except cristalyze and cataclysm

Duke AnaxAug 17, 20152 votes

dunno who wrote that wiki, but they were clearly wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G49t4r0G3SU

SalidfingersAug 16, 20153 votes

Don't forget with enough movement speed you can just walk out.

BuzzinTateAug 18, 20151 votes

and flash/teleport

EnchantéAug 18, 20151 votes

how would you like Riven dashing (shield) out of Jarvan wall? Riven

KONO RUBICK DAOct 25, 20151 votes

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i think it should be impassable but to few exceptions (like unstoppable force) but definately disagree on being able to tumble out or to jump out.

it should block dashes, but they should remove the ulti dash

Salt and VeigarAug 16, 201523 votes

"Jarvan IV leaps to an enemy champion and creating a circle of passable minions"

Mistress MadokaAug 16, 20155 votes

Does item 3046 let you simply walk out? I gotta test this

SpecterVonBarenAug 16, 20155 votes

I think it might have used to but not anymore.

Zone of EndlessAug 16, 201512 votes

It is impassable if you walk. If you an jump then who give a shit.

Balance reason>game logic

KONO RUBICK DAAug 16, 20158 votes

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It is impassable if you walk. If you an jump then who give a shit.

Balance reason>game logic

jarvan ulti is useless right now because 95% of the competitive champion pool have mobility. His ulti should be like azir ulti

Zone of EndlessAug 16, 20156 votes

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jarvan ulti is useless right now because 95% of the competitive champion pool have mobility. His ulti should be like azir ulti

Nope. He was extremely powerful during the warrior meta. They even nerfed him a little because of that.

SaiannaAug 16, 20157 votes

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Nope. He was extremely powerful during the warrior meta. They even nerfed him a little because of that.

We are talking about now :)

KONO RUBICK DAAug 16, 20155 votes

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Nope. He was extremely powerful during the warrior meta. They even nerfed him a little because of that.

so what are you going to do? are you going to straight buff a 48% win rate champion? there was no difference between j4 and rek sai, you need to give him a uniqueness, he would be the anti mobility champion

Yosuke ApperuAug 16, 20153 votes

Don't forget that a fast enough udyr can literally bear stance through it

LeeDarkAug 16, 20152 votes

He was powerful because of E > Q, not his ult. That meta was about early game pressure and the ability to gank PRE-6.

7ha7guy777Aug 16, 20157 votes

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It is impassable if you walk.

Tell that to Amumu . I was playing an ARAM game as amumu. The enemy jarvan ulted someone else. I was right next to the wall and somehow managed to walk into the wall from outside then walk out.

LeeDarkAug 16, 20153 votes

Except his ult sucks, so it isn't really for a balance reason.

Critmaster GarenAug 16, 20156 votes

circle

IonianAug 16, 20156 votes

The circle itself is composed of impassable terrain, the inside and the outside are not.

SavingPirateRyanAug 16, 20156 votes

Mission Impassable! Quick! Call TahmKench Cruise!

thinking manAug 16, 20154 votes

anything that can jump over a ledge should be able to jump over his ult

The LovelessAug 16, 20155 votes

Meanwhile Vayne and Riven just shift through it.

FirexSaberAug 16, 20154 votes

I think anything that can get through a wall should go through his ult. The problem is right now any mobility spell at all gets through it. (Or passive as seen by Kalista). Hell, once I saw a Wukong smush his face into it and then clone out. (His clone pushed him through the wall.) Once I also just walked out of it, probably due to some ping related issues.

The reason I wouldn't want to stop all spells from getting in and out is that as Jarvan it can be just as important for your allies to get in as keeping your enemies in.

The main things I would want to see with this ult are:

Stop non wall passing mobility spells from letting people out
Fix the bugs that let people just walk (or clone) out

It's one of those things where I have very frequently seen people just use Jarvan's ult as an execute rather than its intended use. I mean people can do what they want with it, but I think it's a shame to have it lose its identity like that.

I wonder what Riot thinks about this. I'm hoping that Repertoire comes in and says his thoughts about it.