Why is rengar so much better than khaz?

Keyoshi··7 votes·1,635 views

Seriously, they used to go head to head or kahz for early to mid game and rengar being the mid game to late game or who ever saw who first. Now it's just rengar, Khaz was supposed to be this fierce alien to be a challenge for rengar but there is no contest, rengar takes the trophy. ;)

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Boulderox4 votes

late game Rengar just pops people wheras khaz has more setup needed for his passive to do it.

Fiveofswords3 votes

kha is supposed to have a better late game but frankly he just doesnt. I dont know if ppl build him wrong or what but hes too squishy to have much of a lategame.

YumaS2Astral1 votes

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kha is supposed to have a better late game but frankly he just doesnt. I dont know if ppl build him wrong or what but hes too squishy to have much of a lategame.

The problem is not that Kha is squishy, is that he doens't scale as well as he should and his burst is too conditional.

However Kha'Zix has so much potential to be changed into a late game assassin just like Sion is a late game tank, Anivia is a late game mage, Vladimir is a late game fighter, KogMaw is a late game ADC... We have Kassasin as a late game assassin, but currently it is too hard to get into late game with him, and Kha'Zix could have some differences from Kassadin, the differences being invisibility, resets, and being AD instead of AP.

360D3GR3SS2 votes

Kha is clean up master, Rengar is burst 1 target and get out or die master.

Catastrop2 votes

Rengar can just jump on them get his damage off, whereas Kha'Zix needs set up. Otherwise all Kha is good for is clean up.

A Miss Fortune2 votes

I don't think comparing Rengar to Kha'zix is fair. Rengar is pretty overpowered in my opinion or just broken, he's the definition of 0 counterplay and if he gets ahead your ADC doesn't exist. I think Kha'zix needs buffs but not to become as powerful as Rengar.

3TWarrior1 votes

actually, by rengar's lore, khazix is the only creature he has hunted and been unable to kill, vice versa with khazix. Khazix wants to devour the fiercest creature alive(rengar...able to hunt any other creature) so that he can evolve even further

the two even have a special event where one or the other can become very powerful should they kill the other enough times

rengar gains a special trinket that looks like a shrunken khazix head and khazix...I don't remember what his does

DrNova1 votes

Kha visually changes to look cooler

Dreadlocks1 votes

Because it's easier to snowball a game with Rengar than it is with Kha'Zix. Rengar 100 to 0's well, Kha'Zix is more towards a bruiser now than a full-out Assassin.

Steel Blossom1 votes

Riot hates Kha. He's on the black list with Talon and Kassadin.

Jbels1 votes

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Riot hates Kha. He's on the black list with Talon and Kassadin.

Except Kassadin is still a good late game threat with decent powerspikes throughout the game?

Steel Blossom2 votes

Kassadin vs Nid, why would you EVER pick Kassadin? Nid's jumps are free and basically the same range as Kass's R. And she has huge range poke. And heal. And execute. And vision control. And waveclear that does not require 6 spellcasts in her vicinity.

Jbels2 votes

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Kassadin vs Nid, why would you EVER pick Kassadin? Nid's jumps are free and basically the same range as Kass's R. And she has huge range poke. And heal. And execute. And vision control. And waveclear that does not require 6 spellcasts in her vicinity.

lolwut? Are you serious?

Steel Blossom3 votes

Explain how Kass is in any way superior to Nid.

Jbels3 votes

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Explain how Kass is in any way superior to Nid.

Um, superior roam at level 6, doesn't have to not commit to a kill because he missed a skill shot, Huge fucking slow on E?

Steel Blossom2 votes

E has to be stacked. And just keep throwing those spears because you'll hit one eventually, and whenever you do you get to deal crazy damage. And Nid's passive and cougar W gives her pretty decent roam...

Jbels2 votes

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E has to be stacked. And just keep throwing those spears because you'll hit one eventually, and whenever you do you get to deal crazy damage. And Nid's passive and cougar W gives her pretty decent roam...

Why do you keep complaining about the E like it's actually an issue? Do you know how quickly 6 stacks go by when there is another champion next to you? Or 2? Or 4 if you went to botlane?

Steel Blossom2 votes

Lol his E is next to useless in lane. Do you have any idea how little damage it deals, and how useless a slow is when you can't trade with anyone number-wise?

Jbels2 votes

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Lol his E is next to useless in lane. Do you have any idea how little damage it deals, and how useless a slow is when you can't trade with anyone number-wise?

annnnnd just like that, your credit is gone. Bye.

Abyssphere1 votes

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Explain how Kass is in any way superior to Nid.

Kass doesn't need to be a better champion than Nid, he just needs to be stronger in certain areas. Given he has a channel interrupt, a powerful slow, more mobility after a certain point and reliable initiation (doesn't need to land a skillshot to go in), there's more than enough to differentiate the two.

J Eevo2 votes

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Except Kassadin is still a good late game threat with decent powerspikes throughout the game?

Kassadin has no powerspikes until about 35 minutes into the game, so until lategame, and I wouldn't really call a "powerspike" the ability to do his god damn job, he's utter trash without full items because of his low base damage

Meep Man2 votes

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Riot hates Kha. He's on the black list with Talon and Kassadin.

Except Talon is still pretty balanced and powerful.

NoMonku1 votes

You have it wrong. Kha is supposed to be the better late game carry where as rengar is the early game monster that snowballs out of control. Kha's buffs before his nerfs just made him an early game monster that made it almost impossible for rengar to compete. They were also very OP, which is why he got nerfed. Kha still works the way he was supposed to be intended to, he just isn't as strong as he once was.

Joe Dredd1 votes

Kha beats rengar imo l0l

Thresh 2 Fresh1 votes

If kha had just a slightly better early game he could carry so much easier. BUT he is a late game carry, if his early game was too good he would be unstoppable. To be fair if khaz gets just slightly ahead he can snowball pretty well even vs Rengar, but right now its the trade off of late game bug vs early game cat. Early game pressure tends to be the best way to win league games imo so rengar usually ends up being the better pick

Keyoshi1 votes

It just feels khaz is weak in general. Too many nerfs imo.

ImpossibleGT1 votes

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It just feels khaz is weak in general. Too many nerfs imo.

More like Rengar is too strong in general. He has all the same problems old Eve had. He forces passive play because of his ability to instantly 100-0 people with no warning -- lets not pretend the exclamation point actually does anything when his jump range from stealth is basically that long. He is an incredibly problematic champion and it's kind of baffling that RIot has allowed him to exist like this for so long.

The Loveless1 votes

Kind of true, but Kha still has damage, even if targets are not isolated. He also has better waveclear in the form of his spikes.

Only Play Darius1 votes

Resourceless

Better sustain

Better CC

Better clears

100-0 without relying on isolation

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