I know he doesn't have 60% win rate and that he can get locked down by some tanks, but this doesn't stop people from pulling their hairs off when dealing with fizz. I've read before that a champion that doesn't feel good fighting warrants a change in that champion. So then? :(
CasterGilgamesh8 votesfizz is one of the most single rage inducing champion in this game...but he is fun to play
RainbowIcee5 votesI rather fight 
, 
, 
, 
on the same team than a 
with 4 other outcasts.
Imperial Japan7 votesJeez, Fizz isn't that bad now is he?
ampheon1 votesI think you're over exaggerating now
RainbowIcee1 votesNo, for real. I have more enjoyable games dealing with that lot than a single fizz.
RavenMagus3 votesI'll take Fizz over Maokai or Lulu any day. At least I can actually kill Fizz sometimes.
Feathermane6 votesFizz - still more fair than Zed.
3ternalkarma1 votesFizz - still more fair than Zed.
hahahahahahhahahahaha no. fizz can 1shot adcs with just a WQ bonus points if he lands his ulti
TheUltimateLife6 votes[{quoted}](name=Zyra Bót,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IEHa6XN9,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2017-12-09T05:50:43.220+0000)
hahahahahahhahahahaha no. fizz can 1shot adcs with just a WQ bonus points if he lands his ulti
"...if he lands his ulti" Well, good thing Zed can't point and click to become untargetable and unleash tons of damage in an instant before going back to his initial shadow. Fizz so broken
3ternalkarma1 votes"...if he lands his ulti" Well, good thing Zed can't point and click to become untargetable and unleash tons of damage in an instant before going back to his initial shadow. Fizz so broken
except i said fizz doesn't even need to land his ulti...? his WQ will legit 1shot an adc so will his ultimate by itself or take the target down to 20% hp
TheUltimateLife2 votes[{quoted}](name=Zyra Bót,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IEHa6XN9,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-09T08:00:55.504+0000)
except i said fizz doesn't even need to land his ulti...? his WQ will legit 1shot an adc so will his ultimate by itself or take the target down to 20% hp
I mean I had a double quote on you so I'm not sure how you can claim you said fizz didn't need to land ult. Thought you meant WQ popped AFTER waiting for the proc that the ultimate applies. You even used the term "bonus points," so really thought you were implying Fizz's full combo. And since the ult is a skillshot and you can Flash Fizz's Q, I was pointing out that a Zed's ult initiation has less counterplay, as once Zed lands all his skills are automatically hit/in melee range.
But now you're claiming either the Ult OR W/Q will one-shot and that's just inaccurate. Ult scaling is less than before unless you snipe at max range and liche bane's damage with WQ will not one-shot someone unless you're incredibly fed. So far I've just been talking about the kit itself in a general circumstance. If you want to bring being super fed into this, everyone's broken (but that's a cliched argument in itself).
Penns5 votesRevert Fizz 2k18
ModWulf Helhammer2 votesThat literally doesn't change anything in what the OP was asking for. Fizz's "rework" was practically nil.
Penns4 votesmight as well then tho imo :]
ReySolomon1 votesmight as well then tho imo :]
I always see you complaining about fizz so I have a question...
Do you have any issues with other champions other than fizz?
0racle09122 votesI personally don't find him all that bad. He is really vulnerable if he messes up his E, which is easy to bait, and his R is quite easy to dodge as well. Also if you really don't like playing against him, I would suggest picking up 
. You can negate pretty much his entire kit / combos if played correctly. If anything, I would say fizz is slightly underwhelming atm, but that might just be me.
Gives No Lux2 votesI personally don't find him all that bad. He is really vulnerable if he messes up his E, which is easy to bait, and his R is quite easy to dodge as well. Also if you really don't like playing against him, I would suggest picking up
Yeah, then you can survive Fizz in lane and be useless for the rest of the game.
Also claiming his R is quite easy to dodge proves you don't play against him. Post 6 you are forced to your tower or you will get chased down lane and killed. Under tower his fish is nearly a guaranteed hit considering it takes up the entire lane between your tower and the wall. So you either don't CS anymore or you better have hourglass first item.
This wouldn't be so bad except that he's ungankable so your jungle won't even bother and now you are forced completely out of your role. Playing vs all of these super safe assassins just is not an enjoyable experience by any means whatsoever even if you win the game.
0racle09121 votes[{quoted}](name=Gives No Lux,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IEHa6XN9,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-12-09T04:16:27.228+0000)
Yeah, then you can survive Fizz in lane and be useless for the rest of the game.
Also claiming his R is quite easy to dodge proves you don't play against him. Post 6 you are forced to your tower or you will get chased down lane and killed. Under tower his fish is nearly a guaranteed hit considering it takes up the entire lane between your tower and the wall. So you either don't CS anymore or you better have hourglass first item.
This wouldn't be so bad except that he's ungankable so your jungle won't even bother and now you are forced completely out of your role. Playing vs all of these super safe assassins just is not an enjoyable experience by any means whatsoever even if you win the game.
How would you be useless for the rest of the game? Liss isn't useless in teamfights, she has a great engage and can eliminate backlines quite easily while still being somewhat tanky for a mage.
I do play against him... I find it quite easy to dodge, especially as liss or any other champ with mobility - to beat him you really just need to pick a good champ. To also counter his fish, 600 gold for a stopwatch, or the rune - both are a lot easier to get than zhonyas. If he dives you under tower with that, he's more than likely pooched.
Again, he's fine to play against if you just pick a good champ going into the game. For ganks, if you were liss just E+W (and R if you have it) and that is more than doable for your jgl to gank you with. Heck, you could probably kill him solo if you had 6. Another champ, malz, just have your jgl waiting and then R on him - you're basically guaranteed to kill him there.
Another good champs to dodge his combos with / CC the freaking fish: 
Again, these are just my opinions from my experiences.
Gives No Lux1 votesAgain, you haven't played against him. Or at least not against experienced ones. Between Q and E he can cover nearly the entire lane back to his tower so as soon as you make a move he's out.
If you move to malz ult him you are open target for fish which cancels your ult and then you die.
Stopwatch will save you once, and even hourglass is up only once for every 2 fizz ults and it's poor efficiency so at best you survive but are still behind in lane and he just goes running around the map killing everyone else, at worse you still die every ult AND you're behind in lane. He will also likely take one tower shot only if even that when you stasis his ult, certainly won't get pooched.
On top of this you're not even taking into account that at BEST you will get to counter pick mid only half the time and you can't ban out all of the frustrating assassin types every game.
0racle09121 votes[{quoted}](name=Gives No Lux,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IEHa6XN9,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-09T16:32:22.092+0000)
Again, you haven't played against him. Or at least not against experienced ones. Between Q and E he can cover nearly the entire lane back to his tower so as soon as you make a move he's out.
If you move to malz ult him you are open target for fish which cancels your ult and then you die.
Stopwatch will save you once, and even hourglass is up only once for every 2 fizz ults and it's poor efficiency so at best you survive but are still behind in lane and he just goes running around the map killing everyone else, at worse you still die every ult AND you're behind in lane. He will also likely take one tower shot only if even that when you stasis his ult, certainly won't get pooched.
On top of this you're not even taking into account that at BEST you will get to counter pick mid only half the time and you can't ban out all of the frustrating assassin types every game.
I wouldn't be giving my advice on how to counter him if I didn't play against him, so I would appreciate if you would stop saying that. I was telling you my experiences playing against him, and I have played against both good and bad fizz players, but the tips I gave helped ME play against him at the very least. He is mobile, yes, but his E has a pretty long cooldown, so you can easily play around it if he uses it incorrectly. He can't escape if you CC him hard enough, which is why I suggested liss.
If you don't like my suggestions, then just don't use them, idk why you're so persistent about it. I was just telling how I find playing against him + some tips. May not work for you, but it does for me.
Have a nice day man.
HalcyonDweller1 votesLissandra is my go-to when the enemy picks Master Yi.
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HalcyonDweller1 votesI love fizz as a champion, but I agree. He should probably leave more room for counterplay. That ultimate is really cool but it's kind of out of place on an assassin.
SwiftCrane1 votesI've permabanned fizz for as long as I can remember - since 5 bans for sure tho xD
