Can we unnerf or decrease the nerf on Blitzcrank's W Overdrive?

KoKoboto·Apr 25, 2015·5 votes·1,555 views

A week prior to this nerf I was having tons of fun playing blitzcrank AD/AS Build, build mana items such as manamura, triforce/iceborn frozen heart. Got 40% cdr with Overdrive on 1second cooldown (movespeed and attackspeed bonus) and would just rush down people and give them the mega fists and I was doing quite well in the games I'd played. Now with the nerf It is impossible for me to play ad blitzcrank because without the reliable movement speed buff I can't chase/dodge/ fight other champions ;( Not to mention I actually think the nerf is so horrible in general as the massive movement speed bonus only lasts for like 0.5 seconds than your left at slow grandpa with a cane movement speed, no reason to put points into it early!

In general the nerf to Overdrive literally made the skill COMPLETELY useless :/

14 Comments

LifeCyclesTWAApr 25, 20155 votes

This is what happens to your favorite champions when you gather up enough morons together. They get nerfed and ruined. Its been great watching this game grow, I've been around since the start, but the larger the player-base grows the more -for lack of a better word- idiotic it gets. =

Me vs Blitzcrank: "Oh look, they have a Blitzcrank. I better stand behind my minions." Other people vs Blitzcrank: "OMG HE GRABBED ME AGAIN! NERF NERF NERF"

Same is happening with all the classic champions/champions that have been around for years;

Me vs Warwick: "Oh look, I better buy a Quicksilver Sash." Other people vs Warwick: "OMG HIS ULT DOES SO MUCH DAMAGE??? wtf is cleanse? I NEED IGNITE AND FLASH BROOOO"

Me vs Leblanc: "She is strong early game and can snowball quickly if I feed her." Other people vs LeBlanc: "SHE IS TOO STRONK CANT DEAL ALT+F4"

Me vs Udyr: "Chances are he will be building Devourer. I will coordinate with my team an effort to counter-jungle him and slow down his stack production to hurt his late game where he can be monstrous." Other people vs Udyr: "HE HAS SO MANY TANK ITEMS HOW DOES HE DO SO MUCH DAMAGE!?!?!"

etc...

Lets bring up old examples of how the community successfully destroyed champions.

Me vs AP Sion: "Alright, his damage comes from his stun and his shield exploding. If my team and I keep away from him or CC him when he pops his shield, we'll be able to negate most of his damage output and render him completely useless until his CDs are back up." Other people vs AP Sion: "WOWWW HIS SHIELD! NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF

Me vs AP Yi: "Oh look, he is healing. I better stun/ignit him." ... "Oh look, its an AP Yi. Only one of his abilities scale off of AP and my team has to be close to one another for him to maximize his damage output. Better not all hug each other when he is MIA and we are at low HP" Other People vs AP Yi: "OMG HIS Q TOO MUCH DAMAGE!!!" "HOW DID HE GET TO FULL HP AGAIN??? HOW COME HE DOESNT DIE WHEN I HIT HIM AND HE IS HEALING????"

Many members of this community would make a box of rocks seem intelligent. Why we balance champions around them I do not know. If you can't figure out how to counter a champion, maybe LoL is better off without you. Tired of seeing my favorite champions getting nerfed or changed all the time due to idiocy (AKA Balance Issues)

insaiyanbaccaApr 25, 20152 votes

just saying cleanse does not work on supressions only qss

LifeCyclesTWAApr 25, 20151 votes

Edited. My bad

Sightless66Apr 25, 20154 votes

Me vs Blitzcrank: "Oh look, they have a Blitzcrank. I better stand behind my minions." Other people vs Blitzcrank: "OMG HE GRABBED ME AGAIN! NERF NERF NERF"

My experience was more like this:

"Oh look, they have a Blitzcrank, I'd better stand behind my minions". "Oh, wait, it didn't matter because he ran up and punched me."

I'm fine with having to dodge hooks in order to play against a Blitzcrank. I'm fine with losing hard if I get grabbed. I'm not quite as fine with him not needing hooks to pressure a lane once he has even the smallest advantage. I don't like what the W changed to, but getting rid of the old one was a good choice.

LifeCyclesTWAApr 25, 20151 votes

You would hate going against a Pantheon+Xin Zhao kill lane.

Every single ADC in this game has either CC or an escape. If you see Blitz charge you, why don't you CC him? Ashe slow/ult, Graves blind/dash, Lucian dash, Ezreal blink, Caitlyn dash/slow, Tristana jump, Varus slow/ult, etc.... A champion gaining increased movement speed on a long CD wasn't an issue. This coming from a guy who doesn't ever play Blitzcrank, I just feel bad for those that do. He is a classic champion getting screwed over because over the years the community has gotten dumb and dumber.

Sightless66Apr 25, 20152 votes

You would hate going against a Pantheon+Xin Zhao kill lane.

Haven't played against one since season 3. Was pretty fun. Played as Janna, and shut down enough early aggression that we could get to 6 while only down 1 death. Probably would have been harder if I hadn't been playing Janna.

If you see Blitz charge you, why don't you CC him?

He can keep moving through it. The speed boost had a long duration with a decent speed boost, so it's not hard to guarantee a punch (particularly on the immobile supports). I play Blitzcrank. Sprinting up for a punch was not unrealistic. It was quite easy, much easier than landing a hook. Normally you could punish this by putting out damage while he was running up so that you could win the trade even after his punch, but if had any kind of level or item advantage he could take the damage, force a trade, and win it.

The game is balanced primarily through nerfs. Every champion gets hit and loses something eventually. It's not my favorite thing about League, but it's the way it is, and this is just Blitz getting the treatment every other strong champion gets at some point or another.

LifeCyclesTWAApr 25, 20151 votes

Its just weird how a champion who stayed relatively unchanged for the duration of 5-6 years suddenly gets this nerf. I blame the growing player base. Its not as if the pros woke up one day and said, "WOW!!! S5 was MASSIVE for Blitzcrank! We must either ban or pick him every tournament!"

Every champion that has the potentially you execute extreme punishment upon someone out of position has seen pretty huge changes recently, with the exception of Zed. Talon recently had his silence taken away. Blitzcrank has his movement speed taken away, pretty much. Leblanc is always under fire. Zed?

" v5.1 "Ah, Zed. With your amazing plays topping many a competitive player's highlight reel, how could we not love you? All in all, Zed is one of the best examples of what we call a "healthy assassin" in League of Legends.

That doesn't mean there aren't problems - while Zed's ability to delete squishies with a button press and some smooth moves is going to remain intact, he has so many other additional strengths that seem to push him over the edge. Given his amazing AD stats and his waveclear, should Zed be a top-tier tower-taker? Should he have amazing clean-up when his resources are depleted? While Zed's not receiving changes in this patch, we're committed to keeping LoL's favorite playmaking ninja fun to play as, and to play against."

BALANCE IS WEAKNESS: NOT FOR LONG "

Sightless66Apr 25, 20151 votes

Its just weird how a champion who stayed relatively unchanged for the duration of 5-6 years suddenly gets this nerf.

The game changed around him. Other champions got nerfed. If he goes without being touched while a lot of other champions (including some of his stronger lane counters) get nerfed, then he's going to be in a better spot. It's how most champions get to the spot of needing nerfs. Just going without nerfs for a long time means you're getting better relative to all the other champions that are getting nerfed.

Blitz was strong. Arguably the strongest support in the game. It's not unreasonable for him to get nerfed, and a nerf that doesn't target his core strengths (particularly the grab) is preferable to one that does. The exact direction of the W nerf wasn't something I agree with, but he absolutely deserved to lose something from it.

Every champion that has the potentially you execute extreme punishment upon someone out of position has seen pretty huge changes recently

So have other champions that don't. Nothing special about them.

MysterageApr 26, 20151 votes

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This is what happens to your favorite champions when you gather up enough morons together. They get nerfed and ruined. Its been great watching this game grow, I've been around since the start, but the larger the player-base grows the more -for lack of a better word- idiotic it gets. =

Me vs Blitzcrank: "Oh look, they have a Blitzcrank. I better stand behind my minions." Other people vs Blitzcrank: "OMG HE GRABBED ME AGAIN! NERF NERF NERF"

Same is happening with all the classic champions/champions that have been around for years;

Me vs Warwick: "Oh look, I better buy a Quicksilver Sash." Other people vs Warwick: "OMG HIS ULT DOES SO MUCH DAMAGE??? wtf is cleanse? I NEED IGNITE AND FLASH BROOOO"

Me vs Leblanc: "She is strong early game and can snowball quickly if I feed her." Other people vs LeBlanc: "SHE IS TOO STRONK CANT DEAL ALT+F4"

Me vs Udyr: "Chances are he will be building Devourer. I will coordinate with my team an effort to counter-jungle him and slow down his stack production to hurt his late game where he can be monstrous." Other people vs Udyr: "HE HAS SO MANY TANK ITEMS HOW DOES HE DO SO MUCH DAMAGE!?!?!"

etc...

Lets bring up old examples of how the community successfully destroyed champions.

Me vs AP Sion: "Alright, his damage comes from his stun and his shield exploding. If my team and I keep away from him or CC him when he pops his shield, we'll be able to negate most of his damage output and render him completely useless until his CDs are back up." Other people vs AP Sion: "WOWWW HIS SHIELD! NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF

Me vs AP Yi: "Oh look, he is healing. I better stun/ignit him." ... "Oh look, its an AP Yi. Only one of his abilities scale off of AP and my team has to be close to one another for him to maximize his damage output. Better not all hug each other when he is MIA and we are at low HP" Other People vs AP Yi: "OMG HIS Q TOO MUCH DAMAGE!!!" "HOW DID HE GET TO FULL HP AGAIN??? HOW COME HE DOESNT DIE WHEN I HIT HIM AND HE IS HEALING????"

Many members of this community would make a box of rocks seem intelligent. Why we balance champions around them I do not know. If you can't figure out how to counter a champion, maybe LoL is better off without you. Tired of seeing my favorite champions getting nerfed or changed all the time due to idiocy (AKA Balance Issues)