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How on God's green earth do you even survive Tryndamere as Garen?

DarwinTheory··3 votes·2,009 views

Damage is up over last season. Tp got nerfed so Tryndameres now take ignite.

You farm safe he just builds rage and ends up diving you under tower with ultimate and ignite after hitting you, spinning away and healing up from turret aggro for 5 minutes.

If he lands a crit of any sort you might as well leave the lane your passives not getting you healed up before the inevitable ignite and ultimately combo because your passive sucks untill 11 and he pops 6 long before that time.

You play aggressive and punish him from minute 1 so he can't build rage but he just heals up and spins away after autoing a few minions until his jungler comes then the lane is free for him from that moment on.

You build thornmail and Tabis but his damage, your lack of early damage, conqueror True Damage and increased S9 damage means he just facerolls you now.

You can't even farm under tower and chances are your jungler will pretend trynd doesn't exist because you know....hassle and stuff. And even in gold junglers seem clueless to counters and hypercarry dangers.

By the time the 1st towers gone he can 1 vs 2 anyone in your team and split for the rest of the game. And like I say the team will pretend he isn't an issue until he's taken 3 towers and an inhibitor. THEN will react but of course it will be too late game is lost.

I can understand being countered and pressured in lane but when you can't even play safe short of leaving the lane it's so infuriating.

Unless someone can give me a solid counterplay technique I cant see any option other than ban or dodge going forwards for this guy.

Anyone? Anything?

Cheers!!

11 Comments

Quiet Dude1 votes

item 3075 item 3143 item 3047

DarwinTheory1 votes

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item 3075 item 3143 item 3047

By the time you've farmed enough to get those items he has botrk and shiv at least. And has your tower. Or two.

So BOTRK negates most damage mitigation.

Then you have conqueror.

Then you have ignite

Then you have diminishing returns on armour reduction of damage overall.

Quiet Dude3 votes

Im pretty sure youre just being salty and totes forgot how those items work, but sure, Ill explain-

Build thornmail and ninjas first. Not only does thornmail deal damage back to all AA’s, but it also has the chillblade debuff which reduces AA speed, thereby reducing Tryn’s damage. Also, grievious wounds reduces his Q heal by half. On top of that, thornmail’s damage is boosted the more armor you have. What does Garen have? Oh yea, an ability that passivly increases his armor and MR. You also get extra 5% armor if you were smart enough to take the conditioning rune.

Ninjas reduces all AA by 12%- which is hyuuuge folks, especially against Tryn.

At that point you play safe around your and his CD’s, try and get him to pop his ult before you blow yours. See him ult? Pop Q and W and run away. If he shouts, the tenacity you get from W reduces the duration.

Then buy a randuins to reduce his crit damage. Tryn is pretty easy to kill as Garen.

ExpStealer1 votes

If Frozen Heart's aura stacks with the Cold Steel passive he can buy that too - it would result in double the Attack Speed slow and even more Armor.

wolf jade1 votes

item 3047

and then just let him push and farm safly undertower then item 3075 and item 3143

ExpStealer1 votes

Punish him as much as you can for the first 2 levels - that's when you dominate the lane unless you let him fill his Rage. From level 3 onwards go into him with E and W active. Once your E is done run away. When he pops W (he will sooner or later) use your Q for Grasp proc, extra damage and (most importantly) to cleanse his slow and Silence him at the same time so he can't catch up and keep auto-ing you.

DarwinTheory1 votes

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Punish him as much as you can for the first 2 levels - that's when you dominate the lane unless you let him fill his Rage. From level 3 onwards go into him with E and W active. Once your E is done run away. When he pops W (he will sooner or later) use your Q for Grasp proc, extra damage and (most importantly) to cleanse his slow and Silence him at the same time so he can't catch up and keep auto-ing you.

This seems to make sense. I'll try this. Ty

DarwinTheory1 votes

Can anyone link me a plat/diamond or above game where Garen beats trynd so I can review their techniques?

JJKitsune1 votes

Simple actually, max q. When he goes to hit a minion q and run. Take ignite, beat him down before level 6. Build the proper items and don't take too long trades when he has max fury. Garen beats tryndamere in my opinion

Around999People1 votes

Er... garen face rolls the trynd? Unless you don't actually build armor and do the squishy dmg garen you'll win. He'll always out dmg you, but if you build as the others here suggested he will be a wet noodle slapping against a brick wall.

I used to main trynd, any sort of armor messes him up. You let him build his rage and his conqueror, why? Q him every time he tries to farm. Make him lose most of his hp. If he stays to farm you get free dmg and a free kill. If he runs away you get a severely underfed trynd.

Basically, be an aggressive tank and you win. He can't touch you until he has like 2 items. By that time you should be fed and too tanky to really care.

PhearBunny1 votes

Well on the first wave, you don't let him generate rage. Punish him early on so that when he does have a full rage bar, and is capable of trading, hes too low to safely do so. Or he just uses it to heal, in which case, repeat.

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