Something I want from Assassin Rework

rtbf76109271·Aug 2, 2016·1 votes·610 views

I hate the lv6 power spike (aka near guaranteed 1v1 kill) that several assassins have in lane. The main culprits being zed and fizz. I think it would be a much better design to have champions like zed be less useless later in the game, without the free kill at lv6 (and every ult cooldown until lane phase is done).

Additionally I would like more counterplay available for rengar: http://imgur.com/6ABU4HO The time in which you have to cast a dash / flash ect away from him after he de-cloaks is marginally longer than the average human reaction time. Some people physically cannot react as fast as you can die to him

13 Comments

DynikusAug 2, 20162 votes

item 3364 item 3341 item 2043 do wonders against stealth champions.

1 800 MID LANEAug 2, 20161 votes

The definition of assassin is literally murderer of important targets. If you're a carry on your team, you are the target. That said, late game champions with assassination potential (Read: Diana) are horrible to play against because of how long the death timers are. I'd rather die to Zed 12 times in lane and still have a possibility of winning than die once late and realize that I'm going to lose now because of it.

rtbf76109271Aug 2, 20161 votes

I don't want to take away the power to assassinate someone, I just think that an assassination should not be a guarantee and should create an interaction with the other player. Zed assassinations are a good example of this because he ults you and you know exactly what's up, then you can try to take steps to reduce the damage you take from there. So the assassination result comes out of what BOTH players do. Opposed to a numbers game, one shot you or they don't and you can't really do anything except eat it and hope

1 800 MID LANEAug 2, 20161 votes

Ah, I see. I always thought the way Zed assassinates players is the healthiest of all assassins because it gave you time to react. The problem now is that they took away QSS as a counter so they only champions that can really afford to build against him are mages - And Zhonya's is pretty standard in any mage build anyway. I don't wanna go very deep into this, so I'll just leave it at that.

The Yetii RiderAug 2, 20161 votes

I agree, that's why I want all assassins to be forced into the jungle. So they don't just win the game by keeping someone down in mid lane all day.

StaliniumAug 2, 20161 votes

lol... so that said assassin can randomly appear from nowhere to murder you? At least if the assassin is a midlaner, you know if he's not in lane

The Yetii RiderAug 2, 20161 votes

I'm a jungler, so I'm totally fine with the assassins being kept in the jungle where they can wreak havoc every time their ult is up. As long as it means my mage mids can actually farm safely.

ArakadiaAug 2, 20161 votes

So you want them useless late game and weaker early? Hmm....

rtbf76109271Aug 2, 20161 votes

I think it would be a much better design to have champions like zed be less useless later in the game

less useless later in the game

ArakadiaAug 2, 20161 votes

Their not useless?

PoskeAug 2, 20161 votes

I can react in 0,20 seconds

I react to rengar jump in 90% of cases

I still die because his autoattack cannot be juked he gains 912313k ms anyway

Mysticman89Aug 2, 20161 votes

I'm compelled to point out that the 0.4 seconds there is the time from the first instance of damage until death, which is a shorter period of time than the time of him decloaking+leaping+attacking, which in turn is shorter than the time you have from the first ! indicator to the time of death.

0.4 seconds there is basically the worst case scenario, and that itself is roughly twice human reaction time (about .2 based on a quick google). It's conceivably possibly to react 'too late' in that you've taken (a lot of) damage, but still get out before he actually kills you. If you add in the leap time (which while fast, is reactable to by non-pro players -- one of my favourite janna tricks is interupting rengar ult leaps) then that's more room for potential survival, and if you include the ! time too (which is prime time to drop a pink or turn on a sweeper or hug a janna), then you're not totally screwed unless you were out of position in the first place.

Which isn't to say that renger isn't wtf burst sometimes, but that is a full build glass canon rengar versus what I assume is a glass canon carry.