you fight a Heimerdinger in 3 turrets + his ult turret and expect to win a 1v1 or 1v2. Illaoi has crappy CC and nearly no mobility, so she cant do anything if you let her team engage on you instead of trying to jump into the Heimer turrets. She might be tanky, but its about the principle... dont fight a stationary champ like he wants you to.
ZLbSwAR23I4 votesBut:
Heimer's turrets can actually be killed (unlike Illaoi ult)
Heimer's turrets do not just require two auto attacks to be killed (unlike Illaoi's killable tents)
Heimer's turrerts can take AOE damage
Heimer's turrets provide lifesteal
Heimer does not regen all of his health (and then some) if he uses his turrets in the middle of a 1v5
Penns3 votesStill, just dont fight champs like that in their setup or stop complaining about it if you die lol. Illaoi has 0 hard CC, 0 non-targeted mobility... All she has is her damage and her tanky stats.
BlackxHokage1 votesYea when she ults just walk away... Now shes useless
ZLbSwAR23I1 votesLol when Trynd ults just walk away... Now he's useless
Lol when Nasus ults just walk away... Now he's useless
Lol when Yasuo is about to ult just dodge his whirlwind... Now he's useless
Lol when Ashe ults just walk away... Now she's useless
Lol when Viktor ults just walk away... Now he's useless
Lol when Rengar ults just walk away... Now he's useless
(Repeat for almost every champ in the game)
BlackxHokage2 votesWell with illaoi her ult stays in the one spot.. continuing the fight there is just retarded so yes walk away and now her ult was useless.. and yea it does pretty much go that way for a lot of champs
EcchiOtakuTM1 votesOh wait another thing to mention you have to land 1 cc before walking away I forgot when she w during that time tentacles attack faster so always gotta cc before running.
Scaleheart1 votesExactly, you can kind of think of her as a Katarina with no mobility. Yeah, if you COMPLETELY IGNORE her capabilities and just get salty because a new champion killed you without understanding why, you'll die. If you...perhaps...maybe...decide to save some CC for when she uses her ult, you'll quickly render her useless.
EcchiOtakuTM2 votesSigh those champs aren't a zone control champ which illaoi is, if you dont walk away from illaoi's zone ofc you're going to get wrecked.
But I guess you're too on tilt to even care about beating an easy champ who's win rate is at 42% for obvious reasons.
ZLbSwAR23I1 votesHer win rate is hugely volatile because she's brand new. Oh, at one level she has a win rate of 87%. You didn't see me quoting that.
EcchiOtakuTM2 votes87% on first release 42% now that people had time to adjust.
Penns2 votesIt would be the same if these champs didnt either have strong mobility or if their ults couldnt move. If Rengar ult would snare him until he jumps onto someone, yeah, run away. If Viktor ult would always stay still in one spot (like when he dies), you should probably move out of it,...
J Eevo3 votesDon't talk as if she's not overtuned, no champion should win a 1v2 toplane by default just because of pressing R when against equally fed opponents.
She needs some nerfs or skill rebalance, and probably a lower spawn rate of her tentacle (they're overwhelming early game if you're melee, most champion's AA speed is low enough by then for her to spawn another tentacle just as the old one is killed by them)
Penns2 votesThats what Heimer does too, or not? If he has Zhonyas, he will most likely 1v2 you, same with Darius. And even if not, thats what the champ is supposed to do. She is supposed to punish you for trying to engage onto her. As unfair as that sounds, Im surprised by her damage when I play against her too, but then I just stay back, let her team engage and win because Illaoi cant do anything...
J Eevo1 votesYou can still bait out zhonya or burst down turrets or smite the RQ turret and win through coordination - none of which you can do with most top+jungler cases against Illaoi.
Best I've seen is Kindred ult saving the day, and it's stupid she even needed to, given she's a ranged kiter who should be handling someone like that no problem
Scaleheart1 votesI mean god forbid champions might ever have to trade an ult for an ult.
J Eevo1 votes2 ults for one is a bit much though.
BlackxHokage1 votes" No champion should win a 1v2 toplane by pressing R"
- Excuse me ?
J Eevo1 votesActually has to work for it by stacking up to 5 or executing one of them to get the other.
I've seen way too many cases in these few days where the Illaoi player seems like a complete derp yet somehow scores an automatic double by pressing R while running away - that shouldn't happen, when he's not even fighting them.
BlackxHokage1 votesNo , with illaoi you actually have to w or the tentacles won't do anything bout the same as darius
J Eevo1 votesSingle R click gives a huge amount of burst without requiring setup, the W is just an added bonus.
She's kind of reverse darius in that she ults at the start of the fight, chunking people, then beats the stragglers to death with W.
Scaleheart1 votesYou shouldn't be chasing her if the base damage on her ultimate is enough to kill you...hello?
Scaleheart1 votesBut she SHOULD win toplane against two equally fed opponents who let her R them and then decide to stand in the middle of it.
J Eevo1 votesExcept the burst from the R is so ridiculous you can just fire and forget, and the tentacles will do the work for you, most cases you don't even have to actually fight them, you just press R and somehow the fight is instantly won - Why?
Scaleheart1 votesWhat are you talking about? Have you even actually played this champion?
J Eevo1 votesI did test her on PBE and had suprising sucess with here even though I get awful ping because of the distance between servers - her damage is off the charts.
And what I'm talking about is - The way Riot wants her to work is apparently a damage dealer who needs some setup to get going - hence the tentacle passive that fills up an area with tentacles for you to use
Except you can literally ignore that, yolo R and win anyway because the ult is just that strong - And I've seen way too many cases of people clearly missing the point of the champion yet still winning lane HARD because of an R they fired while getting ganked, when they didn't even follow it up with anything - the tentacle AA that follows, did the work for them.
Siyther1 votesreally only 2 problems i see with her. One is she regains far to moch life when her tenecles hit you. 2. OMg i literally got spawn camped by her tenticles yesterday and she was at tier 2 bot tower on the other side of the map i couldnt leave base without taking 75% of my health in damage. That is absolutly op broken and dumb as hell
TheCeeJay1 votesGrievous Wounds counters the healing HARD, build it. Dodging the tentacle hits when you're a vessel is literally as easy as moving... so either you were standing still or you're brain dead.
Penns2 votesHow can her tentacles alone spawn camp you? They are literally the easiest thing to dodge in the game, no exaggeration.
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Ralanr1 votesBut then they might be slower to kill for certain champions.
I don't know why AOE damage isn't allowed to remove one tick.
Holyfrost Sub1 votesi was playing aram and Illaoi was spawning tentacles behind are towers while she was mid way to her tower (n between both brushes in the middle of the map)
I don't think the damage is that bad, and i get 5 gold per kill, but that long range though. In summoner's rift she probably has awesome (yorick) poking as well as decent sustain.
So while i don't think she needs a nerf, i want to see if riot sees her as toxic in laning phase, and if down right annoying, or sleeper OP, or maybe a few tweaks of nerfs buffs.
But yea i am mostly concerned with that range. Casting tentacles so far away while being safe from counter poke. That is pretty strong. Of course I WILL PLAY HER because it's so much fun to be a lane bully up top. But yea that's my opinion.
EDIT : Spelling
Scaleheart1 votesI'm pretty sure she was not spawning them BEHIND your towers while she was in the brush.
Holyfrost Sub1 votesShe wasn't in the brush she was by our tower. But when she would go back to her tower, the tentacles wouldn't despawn. I think she has amazing crazy poke for her tentacles but if you just charge her she shouldn't be that hard to kill.
But yea i think she has a long range cast for her tentacles.
Scaleheart1 votesSo far the only people I've seen in games who've been salty and/or beaten by Illaoi in lane are those who try to simply walk up into 2-3 tentacles and stand completely still AAing her to death HURR DURR DURR while taking tentacle hits the whole time.
People who actually bother to SIDESTEP the tentacles? They wreck her in lane.
Like...seriously. She has no mobility, no way to confirm kills, and her damage is the most easily avoided thing in the game. If you allow her to hit you with every ability, you deserve to lose.
J Eevo1 votesThe problem is when you wreck her in lane and she bounces right back because of a failed gank, because your Midlane and jungler wanted a kill and they didn't know an 0/3 can still oneshot the first one and finish the other in 10 seconds flat.
Had that had to me, Went 3/0 against an Illaoi (clearly a guy who didn't know what he was doing) with an early game Poppy of all things, by exploiting her stickiness to walls and baiting her near them by attacking the tentacles and despite lacking items the Illaoi bounced back RIDICULOUSLY easy by literally eating our Kata (who granted, wasn't snowballing) and Nocturne, who decided to go toplane becasuse "kek illaoi 0/3 noob, free kill)