Tiny buff for support lulu

Dracocrash·Sep 6, 2016·51 votes·2,066 views

Let wind-speakers blessing (keystone mastery) Apply on her ult.

31 Comments

GaleWinUnleashedSep 6, 201615 votes

If you want to make it count as a heal, you would also have to let Grievous Wounds apply against it. Personally I'd prefer to keep my giant flat heal from getting cut in half =P

DracocrashSep 6, 20167 votes

oh, that's a really good point! But perhaps they could make it a special case, because what category does her ult come under? It grants hp (max HP tho) which is a unique interaction. Maybe they can make an exception?

GaleWinUnleashedSep 6, 20169 votes

Don't forget about Nasus and Renekton. Their ults function the same way.

DracocrashSep 6, 20162 votes

They can let wind-speakers blessing buff those ults too, But it wont really matter since those two prefer to take other masteries anyway.

PopppyseedSep 6, 20163 votes

Winspeakers wouldnt apply to renekton/Nasus because its self "heals". Winspeakers dosent work on self casts

IPromiseTomorrowSep 6, 20166 votes

Oh that was a tooltip error, it does enhance self heals.

Oakleaf RangerSep 7, 20167 votes

It heals more but you don't get the bonus armor and MR to be clear from self healing

IPromiseTomorrowSep 7, 20161 votes

Oh I didn't know that part. But I hope I cleared that up with you.

Oakleaf RangerSep 7, 20161 votes

wrong person just wanted to point that out about wind speakers blessing

HazyCloud7Sep 7, 20161 votes

Can't have your cake and eat it too.

R FLASH XDSep 7, 20161 votes

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oh, that's a really good point! But perhaps they could make it a special case, because what category does her ult come under? It grants hp (max HP tho) which is a unique interaction. Maybe they can make an exception?

Isn't it annoying enough without getting flat out buffed?

manbearswineSep 7, 20161 votes

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If you want to make it count as a heal, you would also have to let Grievous Wounds apply against it. Personally I'd prefer to keep my giant flat heal from getting cut in half =P

Well it affects shields too, and lulu's ult is somewhere between the two(a shield the reminder of which transfers into a heal when the duration expires is one way to describe it), anyway due to its nature making grievous wounds affect it would be really stupid(because like shields it's supposed to be used in a fight, and not out of it as well like heals do), so you could make it be affected by windspeakers without making grevious wounds affect it.

Then again you can delete this cancerous mastery, that would be even better, but for some reason we don't intend to do that yet.

FantasySniperSep 6, 20166 votes

That's not exactly tiny.

DracocrashSep 7, 20162 votes

Fair enough, but support lulu needs it. Solo lane lulu does not take wind-speakers blessing so it wont affect her at all.

Athenes LuluSep 6, 20162 votes

Her ult isn't coded as a heal. Think of it like Gnar turning mega form, they only add max hp.

If they're doing some "special coding" on her ult applying Windspeaker's yet immune to grievous wounds, that would be unfair as hell and break the original intent of "adding hp" versus "heals".

I would rather keep it as is and remind everyone that Lulu's shield > Lulu's E offensive spell on supporting.

DracocrashSep 7, 20161 votes

I personally don't think it would be unfair, as support lulu could use some help.

invisiblecat1Sep 6, 20162 votes

That would help so much, but Riot would do EVEN MORE damage nerfs to her despite Sona being able to go AP and one shot people with 2 buttons

Bladerunner7777Sep 7, 20161 votes

Because even though Sona has a lot of burst, she has non-existant wave clear

Lulu has waveclear so any buff to ap lulu is a buff to the cancer solo lane lulu

chubs1224Sep 7, 20162 votes

Lulu kog lane 60% win rate I think so.

DracocrashSep 7, 20161 votes

That is a problem with kogmaw. Hes not exactly in the best state of balance right now.. Also according to op.gg janna+kog have a higher winrate than lulu+kog, so Can i ask for your source?

Sir FuzziSep 7, 20161 votes

Does Lulu's shield apply every single hit like Janna's would (technically)? I seem to recall her passive having a short cooldown.

DracocrashSep 7, 20161 votes

her passive has no cooldown, it depends on the attack speed of the user.

A little PeepoSep 7, 20161 votes

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That is a problem with kogmaw. Hes not exactly in the best state of balance right now.. Also according to op.gg janna+kog have a higher winrate than lulu+kog, so Can i ask for your source?

The only reason people like kogmaw and lulu is simply because she makes him tankier and gives AS as a bonus. Tbh I feel lulu peels a lot better than janna when it comes to a single target where as janna peels better for multiple targets but that's just my thought.

Oh and kog usually goes on hit rather than ad, but janna is definitely in a way better spot than lulu is right now. Honestly they could have just made her Q deal less damage to minions than the changes they did to her Q cuz that was lulu's thing, that damage Nobody expected now it's meh.

DeathbyDOUGHSep 7, 20162 votes

Buff nautilus and make is so he can kill any champ with his passive and all turrets. Nautilus is bae.

Earl EulrichSep 7, 20161 votes

what she´d really need to work out as a support is a buff to her basestats...as it is now she needs most of her spells to keep herself alive or fast enough to follow her allies, making her very lackluster as a support, especially if she doesn´t get a lead early on. also her w should really regain the ap-buff to make it more versatile.

TargonSep 7, 20161 votes

Lulu is my favourite support. I love how she has tons of CC and options in her kit. The problem is that she's so squishy so she can easily die or waste it all on trying to keep herself alive, so usually CC heavy supports like Leona or Nautilus are chosen over her.

Some buffs to Lulu would be great though - particularly towards her AP ratios to help her early and mid game where she can struggle. Here's some ideas that I think would be nice:

Increase the AP ratio on her E (shield) 80/120/160/200/240 (+ 60% AP) ---> 80/120/160/200/240 (+ 70% AP) This would make Lulu's shield just as strong as Janna's shield
Increase the AP ratio on her Q 80 / 125 / 170 / 215 / 260 (+ 50% AP) ---> 80 / 125 / 170 / 215 / 260 (+ 70% AP) I think they've put this buff on the PBE a couple of times but it hasn't made it back to live. This would allow her to harass more in lane since her Q can be rather difficult to land with it's thin hit box.
Increase the AP ratio on her passive. (9-105) (+15% AP) ---> (9-105)(+21% AP) Lulu's auto attacks are very slow with her passive and often times the enemy can out-poke her if she tries to harass. Her passive is barely noticeable early game so I think this buff would help her mid game.
Increase her base movement speed 330MS ---> 335MS

These are just ideas though. It'd be nice to see a couple of them (not all of course since that would be a ton of buffs and could make her imbalanced).

Tis a nice daySep 7, 20161 votes

Remember that any buffs to support Lulu can also affect solo-lane lulu. AP ratios tend to be something that benefits solo lulu more than support.

TargonSep 7, 20161 votes

Maybe since the meta has shifted since mid/top Lulu was more popular that 1 or 2 small AP ratio buffs wouldn't make her OP. Then again, I've only played solo lane Lulu a hand full of times so I'm not too familiar with her strong and weak match ups.

Out of my ideas, I think the increase AP ratio on her shield strength would be fair though as that wouldn't increase her damage output.

Another idea could be to move her attack speed bonus from her W to her E since her W is usually maxed last.

Another idea to buff Lulu without increasing her damage could be to make it so her auto attack passive is smoother. Maybe it's just me, but it often feels clunky to AA as support Lulu due to the animation of Pix's bolts.

Those are just some thoughts though. It'd be cool to see her played more though xD. I haven't seen her played in a normal or ranked game in what seems like forever!

DracocrashSep 7, 20161 votes

improving Q ap ratio is a bad idea according to me, cause U will be buffing solo lane lulu harder with that. The problem with buffing lulu is, if you try to buff her support (which is not very strong) you end up buffing her oppresive solo lane. They have to buff her without changing solo lane lulu's power

KoKobotoSep 7, 20161 votes

Oh god... you haven't seen mid lane Lulu have you?

A little PeepoSep 7, 20161 votes

I think a decent buff on her would be to move the AS u get from W to her shield siince as support u technically tend to max it first (I do anyway cuz the changes to Q just meh)

That way support lulu doesn't have to sacrifice her polymorph for the utility bonus and it would just scale better with pix and ardent censor. Since most shields in game give some added utility I just don't feel that pix is all that great unless ur kogmaw

Honestly if u think about it these changes could go as buffs or nerfs, they are straight up nerfs if u polymorph and enemy and a buff if u whimsy an ally. Transferring the as to E would give her a bit of more laning power in terms of utility and not throw her over the curve.