Rito said ppl move on from games. I fully disagree and that statement makes me MAD.

Shuumi·Jun 24, 2018·94 votes·18,715 views

So, during the 8.12 patch one of the Rito devs said and I quote, "people move on from games, its just the nature of videogames." I 150% disagree with that statement. Look at WoW, Smash Bros, Warcraft, Starcraft, FFX, FF12, borderlands, all of these classics.

These games didnt become classics because the game kept evolving to the point where the playerbase couldnt even recognize the game. These games had no need to evolve from release past BUG fixes. Oh no, they are classics becauise they give the people exactly what they wanted in a videogame.

Yet, you guys sit here and claim that you NEED to keep it fresh, that you NEED to keep it from stagnating. I say all you need to do is fix bugs. THAT will keep the game fresh enough along with your ALTNERNATE PLAY MODES. There literally is no reason for all this garbage (patch 8.12)

Now, also, this isnt about, "Oh wtf is this vladimir doing bot lane RIP META RAGE" No. Im fine with the game opening up for new picks, that is GOOD updates. What is bad is removing ADCs completely from the game. Whats bad is being warned by your playerbase, pro and noob alike that 8.12 was too much too fast and yall didnt listen.

Checking streams from twitch (because you guys refuse to release usage stats for your servers) You guys have lost at least 40,000 viewers, giving fortnite a literal 40,000 viewer avg MORE than league. Prime time has fortnite at over 3x leagues base.

This is proof you dun fucked up guys. ITs time to admit a mistake and move on to better things... Or watch everyone whos played league for years move on.

We didnt outgrow your game.

YOU quit listening and have done so for years.

166 Comments

ZephyrDrakeJun 24, 201839 votes

People do move from games. People also become so attached to certain iterations of the game that they refuse acknowledge anything past that iteration or anything that isn't 100% like it. People also stick with games no matter how it changes.

There are all sorts of people and most do move on to other games until something brings them back to previous ones they used to enjoy. You can compare fortnite with league all you want. I see league still in the top 3 on twitch all the time, sometimes even beating fortnite. Freaking dota2 is also sometimes beating fortnite and league despite barely being a thing most of the time.

You can be mad all you want, doesn't change that what Riot said is a fact.

NevrankroatonJun 25, 20183 votes

I don't even see the point of comparing like an online multiplayer game to freaking 'fix' game like smash bros, FFX or Borderlands. It LITTERALLY hasn't the same genre, the same niche, the same dynamic.

It is like comparing freaking Super Mario Odyssey to freaking Call of Duty and say "I don't see why Call of Duty focus on multiplayer because Mario Odyssey do just fine with almost only solo player content."

Like HOW THE HELL DOES IT MAKE SENSE?

Skeletons GraveJun 25, 20184 votes

You move on from video games you didnt completely love. Gamers play alot of games. Most of them are only good for a once through.

Video games you do love stay with you. You might beat it and move on for a little while but u always come back. I still go back and play the old marios and digimon games. I still put in legend of dragoon or old final fantasy games. I come back because they are still the game i love.

The tricky part is social games like league. If you love it you will stick with it. You also might play it for the multiplayer aspect with friends. But the worst thing a social game can do is change the game too much. THats because your playing it revolves around you enjoying it and your friends enjoying it. If they dont change it though you will always stick with it. I still play wesnoth, AoE2, dont starve, starcraft, maria kart, and smash bros with friends. I still really enjoy those games. I would still be playing sc2, Wow, and league if they didnt get rid of the reasons i loved them.

Also just because a game is popular doesnt mean its doing as well as it used to. Wow is still a top game but the vast majority of players thats played it at the start wont touch it now. It traded 1 player base for another and league is doing the same thing. Will league die? doubt it. But its gonna lose part of its core audience.

Dope SoloJun 24, 201837 votes

People don't move on from games, they move on from gaming companies.

DavakenJun 25, 20183 votes

What? People rarely move on from gaming companies unless they are planning to completely boycott them. Like, I moved on from Rainbow 6 Siege not too long ago, but that doesn't mean I won't buy Ubisofts next multiplayer game. (As long as it interests me).

MuffledGarbageJun 24, 201829 votes

Riot is strangling themselves with the current balance team One hand on the throat of the game. The other hand on the playerbase

Both hands are choking out what's left

GigglesOJun 24, 201811 votes

I have a large friend list that hasn't logged on since season 3-4ish when Lol really started to change. They weren't happy back then with the direction that the game was taking with higher damage, tanks that dealt higher damage, but weren't tanky. I was talking to one in particular that was like you know maybe I'll try the game again.

He RQ on the second game, said this isn't Lol, that is some unplayble shitshow of oneshotting, and hasn't logged in since. This is a guy that was addicted and played 2-3k games a season up until season 5. He just flat out refuses to play now.

BigFBearJun 24, 201820 votes

I play this game since 8 years. And since two years i play ONLY this game!

"people move on from games" MY ASS

But I gotta say, the way things are right now, I'm thinking about quitting.

GayFluffyUnicornJun 24, 201810 votes

Yeah it's funny how i still play CS after all these years. Despite it basically never changing. Or how i play through Kotor for the 20th time. Yet some r words on reddit and here come and tell me i'm just "bored" of league. Nope, i'm frustrated beyond believe becuse a bunch of fn r words are ruining my favorite game to the point where i dont play it for two weeks straight. Same happened after watching the last jedi this week. All i can imagine in both cases is the south park indie jones scene getting raped by lucas and spielberg.

3TWarriorJun 25, 20181 votes

well, umm, I don't like to point this out, but, a lot of the problems with the last jedi...were actually caused by the influence of the director of the previous two films

Solo at least turned out good but it probably wasn't even touched by whoever handled those other movies

MuffledGarbageJun 26, 20181 votes

Last jedi introduced Holo for literally no reason, Gave no reason for her lack of sharing the plan, Made snoke from an interesting villain with a mysterious backstory into a joke, THE COREOGRAPHY IN 2 FIGHTS WERE SO FKED UP(IN EXECUTION)BUT THEY STILL MADE IT INTO THE FINISHED MOVIE, Rose's sidestory had 2 plotholes and was ultimately pointless, The movie is objectively bad

3TWarriorJun 26, 20181 votes

again, most of which was created by problems with the previous director...imagine you're a studio left in chaos with a deadline with a half-written script, someone who has enough influence to still be involved in the show after they were basically demoted(hence the extreme feminism and inexperienced actors), a declining budget after two bombshells with almost zero replay value...

The actors were probably not even consulted on their roles because they had to follow that same "vision" by the director because they were left with the short end of the stick in a raw deal. This movie was made within a year of its previous showing, the previous movies had no idea of what makes star wars star wars

oh, and if you want to top off the ridiculous, the budget between the two films was split to focus on Solo, more than likely because the studio wants people to #FORGET ABOUT the previous line of movies

MuffledGarbageJun 26, 20181 votes

None of that was the previous director's fault. Disney gave him the boot because the director of last jedi was cheaper

3TWarriorJun 26, 20181 votes

or, you know, because even George Lucas thought the movies were so bad that he threatened to buy back the license after the first movie and eventually stalled out a compromise with disney?

MuffledGarbageJun 26, 20181 votes

That would still not be the director's fault. That would be Disney and George Lucas's fault

You can't possibly put the blame of the last jedi being bad on SOMEONE WHO DIDN'T EVEN DIRECT THE FILM

3TWarriorJun 26, 20181 votes

i'm not, i'm placing the blame on the guy whose ideas caused like half the fanbase to cry out in outrage, did so badly he got removed from his lead position, left the actors and new director with half a script that they had to rewrite from the crazy that it was within an insufferably short span of time

why else do you think that half the movie focused on graphics or gimmicks. It finally had a star wars feel again, but he left crazy stuff to deal with and had he stayed in charge, the fans probably would not watch any of the next movies unless disney went majorly out of its way to reshape this series image...

MuffledGarbageJun 27, 20181 votes

Ok... Thank you for clarifying that. Your initial post as it's currently written, DOES state that it's the Force Awakens director's fault though

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again, most of which was created by problems with the previous director...

a lot of the problems with the last jedi...were actually caused by the influence of the director of the previous two films

Idk if your moving the goalpost, lying or what but those sentences are really good proof of you blaming the director of The Force Awakens

3TWarriorJun 27, 20181 votes

I don't quite see what you're getting at as I basically just said that I was referring to the director of the previous 2 films causing so many problems in the latest including their influence in the script XD

MuffledGarbageJun 27, 20181 votes

Uuuhhh

So ARE YOU OR ARE YOU NOT SAYING THAT THE DIRECTOR OF THE FORCE AWAKENS CAUSED THE LAST JEDI TO BE BAD?

you've changed your position several times. First saying it was the influence of director 1 then saying director 2 messed up The last jedi and that director 1 was unrelated

CHOOSE AN ARGUMENT AND STICK TO IT DAMMIT!!

3TWarriorJun 27, 20181 votes

no, you are the one that has changed what I have said to mean something else

I have stated explicitly several times that the director of the force awakens and rogue one caused the problems for the last jedi(if there is more than one, I did not know but with their OBSESSION with death, it felt much like the same person)

That same director made films that were so bad, george lucas threatened to buy back the license

that same director wrote most of the script the current story is following

that SAME DIRECTOR is the one who caused all of these problems

3TWarriorJun 28, 20181 votes

I admitted that I did not know if there were different directors and specifically stated that both movies were so bad they may as well have been written by the same person because they felt awful
George Lucas has publicly attacked Disney and retracted his comment about how he hated how Disney is treating his franchise, actually equating them to "white slavers" , you mention I don't do google research and for good reason as i've spent two freaking hours(actually more now as I go through with this nonsense to reply to a comment of differing opinion) looking up this nonsense for two movies I hated compared to the one I liked, despite its flaws. Seriously, the force awakens did a taboo that's so taboo it was a literal betrayal to the fans...
J.J Abrams was frequently consulted for the script of the last jedi to tie it together with it being rewritten. Although his script did not end up getting used, he was still a major influence by the first film offering problems to the second, including how Snoke had no backstory but the people here seem to know more http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/star-wars/55771/star-wars-rian-johnson-scrapped-jj-abrams-episode-viii-script
Luke skywalker changed after years of influence and it was even explained in the movie that Kylo Ren's fear, his very source of turning to the dark side, was caused by a mere moment of weakness on luke's part because he let his fear of the future BECOME the future and makes a ton of sense when his father died for him but then his nephew that he treated like a son and taught the ways of the force became what his father had overcome in the end...that would mess up ANYONE's head and led to his life of isolation because he no longer wanted to be an influence on the galaxy because of his failure and hubris before his students

edit: i've made a few edits to this as having only seen the movie once (because I found it that terrible...), having only seen it 2 years ago when it released, and being up at 4 am when I originally made this comment that I actually replied to myself...

ModCaptainMårvelousJun 24, 201817 votes

Look at WoW, Smash Bros, Warcraft, Starcraft, FFX, FF12, borderlands, all of these classics.

I mean, people have moved on form every single game you've listed. Fact is that it does happen.

What you're trying to argue is that these games still have a core audience, which is true! Just like League will have a few years down the line. That won't change. But these games are hardly the powerhouses they used to be. People still play them and they can still be popular but WoW mania died almost a decade ago. Starcraft hasn't seen the hype it ever had. etc etc etc.

League could have been balanced perfectly with every single rework/patch/addition being a perfect choice and it'd still lose players. That's the nature of life.

GigglesOJun 24, 20188 votes

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WoW mania died almost a decade ago.

Whats funny is it started to grow again recently shortly after ghostcrawler left... probably why the guy gets blamed for lol...

ValðrJun 24, 20186 votes

Ghostcrawler is doing to League exactly what he did to WoW. Remember when WoW went from WoTLK to Cataclysm? It literally went from balanced well-drawn out pvp fighting. to use trinket and every CD you have and try to kill the other opponent first. Like even Ghostcrawler himself said, the game is constantly changing to keep it fresh. Where do they draw the line? When do they decide to be more fresh over more balance? League has become crap. They're so focused on posting more and more new content to keep it fresh that they're straying so far away from balance. Alas, despite my complaints, I continue to play out of addiction. But I just hope that at some point, they'll start to focus more on BALANCE instead of keeping the game FRESH.

GigglesOJun 25, 20183 votes

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Ghostcrawler is doing to League exactly what he did to WoW. Remember when WoW went from WoTLK to Cataclysm? It literally went from balanced well-drawn out pvp fighting. to use trinket and every CD you have and try to kill the other opponent first.

Sounds like the current gameplay, of just nuke the enemy before they can nuke you. It also makes for a dumber game that makes players that are slower at combing better because they can do a larger chunk faster.

Like even Ghostcrawler himself said, the game is constantly changing to keep it fresh. Where do they draw the line? When do they decide to be more fresh over more balance? League has become crap. They're so focused on posting more and more new content to keep it fresh that they're straying so far away from balance.

I was trying to ask that about assassins one shotting. Where do you draw the line and say hey, assassins shouldn't be able to 100-0 that champion. How do you decide that an assassin should be able to get in, get a kill, and get out while divers are basically one way assassins, and tanks are basically immobile divers with slightly more cc. The game is just too messed up now where all the classes are too overlapped, and streamlined. You really can't fuck up and over build defense, or over build damage and make yourself useless. The only way you can fuck up is ap on an ad champ (or visa versa). Basically we are playing a dumbed down Lol.

Alas, despite my complaints, I continue to play out of addiction. But I just hope that at some point, they'll start to focus more on BALANCE instead of keeping the game FRESH.

Yea I feel you there, all of my friends that aren't addicted (and even one that was) has quit by now. I have a very large friends list of players that haven't logged on since season 4. Some of them haven't logged on since season 2 when they nerfed healers and tanks. Back then they were already saying that the game is going to go to crap if riot just pushes damage. I wish there was just an unaddicted stick that I could get hit with.

ResolutionJun 24, 20187 votes

{quoted}WoW mania died almost a decade ago.

WoW's player base died after Wraith of the Lich King - The oversimplification of core game mechanics from Cataclysm up till Warlords led to people hitting endgame earlier than previous expansions. This led to players becoming bored with the little thought output needed to progress. This can be summed up by players being upset from the game they knew changing.

WoW's been fixing its issues since Legion and oh look... the population is growing and coming back.

League, on the other hand, has been pushing for shorter button-mashing gameplay. Why plan a duel out when it will only last 1.2 seconds? Until League goes back to what players actually found fun, players will continue to leave.

LeveretteJun 25, 20183 votes

There are reasons games succeed; it is not just random, therefore it is not a matter of mere opinion as to why any particular game is successful. No one understands that better than the players themselves. I will not tolerate irresponsible excuses like "people will leave" that deny accountability.

Sure you can't keep or please everyone, but don't hide behind that excuse. A game that listens to its players will not simply die from a decade of age. A declining playerbase only ever means that you're wrong and should fix yourself. Neither success nor failure is ever guaranteed. You're never so ahead that you're allowed to get complacent and devalue your players, and you're never so behind that perseverance, integrity and respect for your players won't uplift you. Warframe is a beautiful example of the latter.

Also, World of Warcraft has actually been growing for two years straight. That's because Blizzard has officially announced they are putting a higher emphasis on player feedback and returning things to how they were when they were more successful. They learned their lesson about placing themselves above their community. Now, over the years, Riot has become a bit more cynical toward player complaints/disagreement, and more defensive in their decision making.

I support Riot and want to see them continue succeeding. I intend this all as positive criticism and uplifting encouragement.

Akali is SO HOTJun 25, 201816 votes

Patches 8.11 and 8.12 are probably the best patches of the season.

I still don't understand why people believe that ADCs have been removed from the game. Pro play still sees mostly marksmen bot lane and most marksmen still have respectable winrates and pickrates in normal play. ADCs not being mandatory anymore doesn't mean they are all suddenly garbage tier.

Also, Fortnite is still fresh which is why it has so many more views than League atm on Twitch. It was the same with Overwatch and the same with PUBG. After all the little kids get tired of Ninja and this boring Battle Royale stuff, Fortnite will go down past League. Clearly constantly being in the top 5 games (usually top 3) on Twitch is a sign that League is an awful game. Makes perfect sense.

DavakenJun 25, 20186 votes

People are hardcore overreacting, spreading complete misinformation like "adcs are useless" and such. Gotta love Boards.

AtmosphereJun 26, 20181 votes

In terms of ADC play, you're both completely wrong. Across NA/EU LCS, LCK, LPL, and other professional arenas, the average playrate of ADCs is roughly 32%. Even among that 32%, the only ADCs played are Kai'Sa, Ezreal, Lucian, and Draven, with the occasional Ashe or Miss Fortune. The other scaling marksmen are useless in an early game snowball meta, causing 68% of games to have bruisers or mages instead. Most ADCs mains have no issue with the diversity in bot lane or crit getting nerfed, we have an issue when laners who are stronger than us early and scale into late game are in our lane bullying us out, then hard core anti-ADC players spread lies like "most ADCs have respectable winrates" when 10 ADCs have sub-50% winrates and several others are just barely hovering around 50% (i.e. 50.2-50.4%). Unless the draft calls for an ADC, picking one that isn't a lane bully is a detriment to your team. And with tanks being weak right now, assassins being prevalent, and games lasting 20-25 minutes, its very rare that an ADC is able to be played in a game and expected to win. That isn't going to stop ADC players from trying to play champs we love, but it also doesn't change the fact that ADCs are in a and spot right now, both statistically and in their "feel".

DavakenJun 26, 20182 votes

I mained tanks the whole last season, but I have been forced to mostly play bruisers in jungle for the last couple of months. Not a single tank in the jungle is currently strong, unless you count Trundle and maybe Mundo as a tank, and not a bruiser. So my role has arguably suffered even more than yours, yet you don't hear me or barely any other tanks complain. Also, Riot is already preparing buffs for a lot of crit adcs, only two patches after the nerfs. Meanwhile, it can take months for the class I play to actually become somewhat meta again, yet you are still complaining?

AtmosphereJun 26, 20181 votes

Tanks are literally always going to be viable. They may not be as strong as they used to be, but tanks in top lane and tanks in the support role will always have value due to being a damage soak and CC bot. So you're wrong in that aspect. Besides, even if you were right, "I didn't complain why should you" is terrible reasoning. If your class becomes useless in your eyes, you should rightfully he upset. The fact that you show no concern over how your favorite role is treated in the game makes me believe that you're lying about what you main just to make a point. I have never met a single player that doesn't care what happens to their role, and I seriously doubt that you're the exception to the rule.

DavakenJun 26, 20181 votes

Of course I care, I'm just not going to super entitled to have my role constantly be in the center of the meta. Tanks can be weak for a while, and I'm fine with that. I've never had a problem with switching champions, and trying out something new, instead of the same champions being meta for years. My patience still has its limits of course, and at some point I will voice my complaint if tanks won't be playable for a long period of times. You know, a long period. Not a single fucking patch.

Your argument about "tanks are literally always going to viable" is also completely invalid, as the exact same can be said for adcs, if not more for adcs (at least invalid in this context).

Also, I never told you that you shouldn't complain, if you have a complaint then voice it for sure. I just heavily dislike how you and most other adcs are completely over exaggerating the issue, begging Riot for buffs even though they have arguably been adc-biased the last many seasons.

AtmosphereJun 26, 20181 votes

You clearly don't understand the issue for ADCs then. Even when weak, tanks will always be playable. As if right now though, the majority of ADCs have very poor win rates while other champs, such as Mordekaiser, Swain, Brand, and Irelia, all have decent play rates while being over a 50% win rate. Nobody cares that they have to switch around who they play, we care when we're literally forced to play other champions because the odds are against us for not conforming. With tanks, you can go from Maokai and Ornn to Doctor Mundo and Ornn (because Ornn is busted, let's be honest). But bot lane, you can go from Caitlyn and Tristana to Draven and Lucian, then still get smashed out of lane by Mordekaiser or Irelia. If an ADC can't make it through lane, they're useless. Tanks will always be viable, even if they get smashed in lane. Damage soaking CC bots will always be able to at least do something, while an ADC that gets smashed in lane is a detriment to the team. My argument is not invalid, you just don't see the clear differences between tanks and ADCs.

DavakenJun 26, 20181 votes

"Even when weak, tanks will always be playable". Yes. Correct. And the exact same thing for adcs. Even when weak, adcs will always be playable. Just because bruisers are suddenly allowed in botlane, hasn't changed the fact adcs aren't playable anymore. Only difference is that tanks are less dependant on gold, since they have a ton of value through their kit, rather than items and auto-attacking. This has nothing to do with them being viable or not in the meta, it is simply how hard they can get snowballed. You're completely unable to see my point, because you somehow think that adcs are unplayable, which they aren't at all.

Let's compare tank playrates to adc playrates, shall we? (Data from op.gg) We start with Lucian being in the number one spot, with 29.12%, Ezreal in number three with 22.70% and Kai'sa number four with 20.67. Let us scroll down and see the current popular tanks playrate.

So the first real solo-lane tank that isn't Singed is sitting at number 54, 7% pickrate, Malphite. The second most is Shen at 5%.

Don't you think its funny how "Even when weak, tanks will always be playable", yet when tanks are weak they are barely played. Meanwhile, "Even when weak, adcs will always be playable" isn't valid, yet when adcs are weak they are still dominating pick and winrates bot. Almost like the argument is completely invalid. And, look at the patch notes! Adc buffs! But where are the tank buffs? Oh no D:

AtmosphereJun 27, 20181 votes

Play rates mean nothing when comparing ADCs and tanks. Top lane has WAY more variety than bot lane has ever had, even now. Of course the play rates are going to be lower when there's more consistently viable options in the lane, meaning you have more options to counter pick. You're not getting the difference between ADCs and tanks, despite how many times I've said it. "Tanks will always be playable" or "ADC isn't playable" has NOTHING to do with whether or not you can lock in as that kind of champion. It has to do with their game impact. Tanks will always have a spot, no matter how bad they are. They're big, beefy, have CC, and get to work as soon as they're out of lane. They will ALWAYS be playable, even if they get set behind. This means that no matter how far behind they fall, they can still do their jobs and tank up damage and CC enemies. ADCs are BARELY playable right now. There are some exceptions, yes. Lucian, Kai'Sa, Ezreal, and Draven are all doing well. However, with every other ADC, picking them into a bad matchup disallows for then to do their job. They cannot properly DPS without items, and they can't get items if they're shut down in lane. You're ignoring the fundamental differences between ADCs and tanks, and just harping on that no matter how much I say that your comparison is stupid. As for the buffs, literally only 4 ADCs got buffs. Just as with that, a few got needed, as champs like Kog'Maw, Varus, and Kai'Sa all build Guinsoo's Rageblade in their core build, making them weaker all around. Tanks haven't been buffed because they don't need to be buffed. They're not weak because of nerfs, they're weak because of bruisers and Conqueror. If bruisers that use Conqueror became more situational, tanks would be right back in consistent play. Just like if ADCs got some sustain back and towers weren't made of paper, they'd be right back in consistent play. It's getting very frustrating to argue you because you clearly don't understand what changes make other champions strong or weak, viable or unplayable.

DavakenJun 28, 20181 votes

I will have stop this argument because your huge bias towards ADCS makes you impossible to reason with. You talked about how the ADC buffs weren't good enough, and how the problem were bruisers in the botlane, yet you conveniently forget to mention that the two biggest non-adc botlaners right now, Irelia and Vladimir got huge nerfs which will make a lot of adcs way stronger.

Also your argument about Tanks always being viable is still complete and pure bs. You talk like someone who has never played a real tank top or jungle before. Okay, let's say I pick a tank like Rammus in the jungle in Diamond 5 elo. Because some random dude on boards told me they were always viable, so they must be right? Let's say I get matched against Xin Zhao. First of all, I need to be prepared to get invaded at my second buff. I am completely dependent on my teammates, on whether or not I will be able to get it. I will also have to give up every single scuttle in the game. It will be harder for me to gank due to having worse ganks and because I die if Xin counterganks me. I also have to constantly ward both Drake and Herald, since he can solo it, and if he does I won't be able to stop him alone.

Okay, so I give the entire early game up, because I'm playing a tank, because some dude on Boards told me they were totally viable. Alright, but I will totally outscale him in teamfights right? No. Most tanks in this current meta gets bursted instantly in any teamfights, or just ignored, while the enemy assassins, burstmages and bruisers destroy my entire backline, while there is nothing I can do about it. There is a reason tanks are bad right now, and your argument is based on your personal opinion, not what the actual game state is.

The more I argue with you, the more apparent it becomes that you don't seem to have any actual clue on what the current game-state is. You use shallow arguments like "Tanks will always be viable due to them being tanky and having cc", when that game CLEARLY isn't reflected in the current reality of the meta at all. I usually dislike rank shaming, but I think this lack of basic game knowledge comes from the fact that you're bronze, which means you're either new to the game or doesn't take it seriously at all. I have been playing tanks on a high level for years, and I can tell when they aren't viable in the damn meta no matter what shallow claims you make without actually backing them up with data or reasoning.

I'm done with this argument. Hope you can take something positive away from it, because I sure can't.

AtmosphereJun 28, 20181 votes

I have a bias, sure, but so do you. You're clearly anti-ADC and a huge tank fan. The ADC buffs weren't good enough because only 4 out of however many ADCs got buffed, and 3 got nerfed with Rageblade changes. If you, a tank with CC, are letting assassins and bruisers and other champs run past you and kill your carries, I don't know what to tell you. In your example, Rammus has his Q knock back and his taunt. You can keep an assassin or the enemy Xin Zhao locked up for a couple of seconds while your carries kill him. Of course you're going to get invaded by him. Of course you can't duel him. Your entire argument is "oh no tanks can't do a job they're not meant to do" in that example. But by all means, completely ignore what I'm saying because I'm not challenger. That wins you the argument, right? Haha bronzie XD. I didn't get anything out of this argument because you never addressed a thing that I said and constantly ignored what the role of tanks are. They don't need to be meta in order to do their job, but ad current play is proving, ADCs do need to be meta to do their job. I pray I never end up in a game with you, because based on how you think about tanks, you're never going to CC anything and I'm going to just be a feast for assassins. Enjoy your future ranked games, high and mighty D5. Hope you don't demote to plat anytime soon. Toodles.

DavakenJun 28, 20181 votes

I never ignored what you said because of your rank, I denied your claims because you clearly have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. I don't do rank shaming, because I think it's a kinda lame way to try and win an argument. I just noticed that you barely had any game knowledge or game sense, and op.gg'ed you just to check.

AtmosphereJul 4, 20181 votes

"Lack of game knowledge comes from you being bronze" "I don't rank shame" "This person doesn't agree with me so they have no read on the meta" You're a confusing person.

Fear the KaynJun 24, 201812 votes

Riot just cares WAY too much about professional play.

GigglesOJun 24, 20185 votes

LC$ Big Plays in the house.

$$$ Bills YO

If it isn't fla$hy GTFO

KZ EngelJun 25, 20189 votes

"people move on from games" doesn't mean "the entire playerbase eventually quits"

just because a game has a small fanatic playerbase doesn't mean it's mostly done. every game is going to have a fanatic playerbase. but, as a statistic, playerbases always decline after reaching a certain peak. league reached that peak in a past season.

BigBellBruteJun 24, 20187 votes

People do move on from games just like they move on from certain food trends or fashion trends. Oh certain die hards don't. But most do. I have every civ game ever made. Had I not moved on from any of them, I'd still be playing the first Civ.

SweedishGunnerJun 25, 20187 votes

The deletion of old runes and the re-named mastery system was the start of the end in my opinion.

That's where all the damage started to get out of hand.

Tundra HunterJun 24, 20186 votes

I'm 30 years old and currently replaying Chrono Trigger maybe for the 20th time... I play that game since I am 8 and I'll continue to play it And I wouldn't want a remake of it... game is perfect just as is, with its limited sound but greatest music, pixel but beautiful, simple but addictive gameplay

DearPearJun 24, 20185 votes

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Look at WoW These games didnt become classics because the game kept evolving to the point where the playerbase couldnt even recognize the game.

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I'm 30 years old and currently replaying Chrono Trigger maybe for the 20th time... I play that game since I am 8 and I'll continue to play it

Same here. Except I'm soon 29.

I'm kind of sick of remakes. Like, I'm fine with things being more beautiful and all, but all this time and effort into something that was good as is seems like a waste to me.

Bob the ToastrJun 24, 20184 votes

Don't forget Age of Empires 2 and Star Wars Battlefront 2 (the 2005 one not the EA one) for game that people don't just "move on" from

DavakenJun 25, 20181 votes

Classic Battlefront 2 rarely gets over 500 players on steam. What the fuck are you talking about, ofc most people moved on.

3TWarriorJun 25, 20182 votes

that, HOWEVER was not a result of the players themselves

remember when gamespy fell and doomed the Wii and DS ? that is also when the majority of battlefront 2's players left, because people could not get into the game to play it

the playerbase even created a workaround somehow, but it was too late