So reworked Rengar is broken, right?

Asuka Akashta·Oct 26, 2016·7 votes·3,328 views

I don't have any statistics or facts or any of that, but I can say that ANY game that has a Rengar currently in the PBE, I never see them with less than 20 kills, at least. The whole point of the rework was to increase assassin burst window and allow counterplay, right now theres no extended anything, he just kills whatever is in front of him, and the only counterplay is to buy a zhonyas or have flash, and if you use zhonyas, he'll just wait and kill you when it goes off, or if you flash, he'll just bola you and kill him anyway. Speaking of which, I've had his bola alone hit me for 1000 dmg, and at lvl 14 777 damage. wtf, it's already a root >:( Any thoughts? I can't be the only one who thinks he's extremely unhealthy and unfair to play against. Also, why is Rengar allowed to ult in his base, and make it all the way to the enemy base before it runs out?

13 Comments

Suicide MemeOct 26, 20162 votes

As someone who has been playing on the PBE a lot, what you see on the PBE is not indicative of how something will perform on live. In PBE, it is mostly silver and below players who are matched with some plat+ player that gets fed AF. Also, literally everyone is playing assassins and there are no tanks or actual team comps. When it hits live, people will actually play cc tanks and peel off rengar easily.

BakedLotionOct 26, 20162 votes

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As someone who has been playing on the PBE a lot, what you see on the PBE is not indicative of how something will perform on live. In PBE, it is mostly silver and below players who are matched with some plat+ player that gets fed AF. Also, literally everyone is playing assassins and there are no tanks or actual team comps. When it hits live, people will actually play cc tanks and peel off rengar easily.

o boy pbe is full of trash players. there isnt a single game i dont get fed as fuck because they're all so bad lmao. And god damn the amount of rage from those players... Why is it so full of silvers/bronzies? I would expect there to be atleast a 40/60 split of gold+ and silver+bronze...

AckelopeOct 26, 20164 votes

Because a much, much larger amount of the playerbase is in silver or below, and as far as I know Riot isn't rank-selective when allowing people access to the PBE, so as a result, most people on the PBE will also be silver or below.

Irelia BotOct 26, 20162 votes

They gave him a mini olaf ult so they increased the kill window but made you less able to actually do anything to stop him unless you are playing Veigar with 2000 AP.

Ben SharpioOct 26, 20161 votes

i don't think this is true. From what i've seen, PBE is FULL of low elo players, i don't mean to sound like an asshole, but low elo players, and higher elo players handle these situations differently. WAY differently.

IN MY OPINION. Rengar still fulfills the important aspect that he has in his current kit right now: Which is go in, kill someone, and die right after. He isn't building tanky, so someone like syndra, who is currently in meta SHOULD be able to 1 shot him, or a late game ADC, who is equally as powerful should be able to kill him if he goes for the mid laner.

The way i see it is this: In his current and reworked kit he has to choose whether or not he wants to kill the ADC/MID laner. The tanks usually CC him after he has done that, and he dies right after. Doesn't feel like there's a problem with this as he's ALWAYS been like that.

The problem might be that maybe his 1 shot combo is too easy to do, as it seems that only experienced rengar players can 1 shot efficiently right now.

Asuka AkashtaOct 26, 20161 votes

Interesting, you may be right in assuming this. Also, most of the PBE games are full of teams of Assassins, so they are all squishy with very little CC, which may also be the reason. Still, I think his presence is a little to much though, he SHOULDN'T be able to kill one person and die, because that one person still doesn't have time to react or counter play to how fast his burst is. His thought shouldn't be, "Do I want to kill Mid/ADC?" It really SHOULD be, "Which one of them CAN I kill?" Just based on how that was phrased is exactly the opposite of what Riot is trying to do with this update: "Extend assassins burst window and add counter play potential" if you get caught by a Rengar, (which you shouldn't be doing anyway but still), there's almost no reaction time to counter unless you flash preemptively. But I agree with a lot of what you say, I just think if SOMETHING doesn't change, I can see a lot of complaints, or at the least, permanent bans

CrazyBear1987Oct 26, 20161 votes

(just want to state that i am not on the PBE and only have scene gameplay from those who are on it)

So far he has a slow start and players are getting use to his ult, cant use it in a fight to lose aggro since he can still be seen until he leaves sight range. But after that, when the ball starts rolling, he still remains the same beast that we all fear before.

Use the control wards when confident he is ulting, learn to dodge his Q, which does more damage at the forward hit.

TL, DR: Is the reworked Rengar broken? Not really.

6SfoolOct 26, 20161 votes

Rengar is the exception to the trend of assassins in the update. He's designed to pounce and trounce. It's slightly harder to land his q now, but unlike the rest of the assassins he hasn't had his burst window extended. This is balanced by the fact that he has no great escapes. If he dives into a 1v5, he'll probably get that kill, but he'll be dead shortly after.

MelledoneusOct 26, 20161 votes

To be honest, the reason you see Rengar so fed is because everyone in PBE is dicking around. Well, almost everyone.

I had more trouble jumping a team of bots than regular PBE players.

MunchCrunchLunchOct 26, 20161 votes

Must have been a double bola

Daddy GangplankOct 26, 20161 votes

You make me laugh and cry because you're so bad LUL

kaminokotobaFeb 5, 20171 votes

Stuff like this is what will kill league in the long run

Solomons WisdomFeb 20, 20171 votes

Just played a top lane against rengar. I just pushed the first wave up, and went to ward the river brush. He was in the bush, jumped and q me 2x for 490 dmg total and ignited me (killing me), how is that balanced laning game play when all he needs to do is have 4 ferocity and jump?