Master Yi doesn't need a buff, he needs a rework. If he's fed he just Q autos any squishy and kills tanks very fast. He can 1v1 any assassin because of his W and the movement speed from his ult makes him impossible to kite. Just rework him, I'm tired of getting one shot with no counterplay.
H1 H0w are Ya3 votesYi has tons of counterplay lol
LechintanTudor2 votesWhat counterplay?
H1 H0w are Ya4 votesLiterally any form of hard CC
chipndip11 votes[{quoted}](name=H1 H0w are Ya,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=I1yKYNN6,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-01-22T20:04:08.800+0000)
Yi has tons of counterplay lol
Not entirely. He just AAs you. The issue with Yi is that he's binary as hell. It's not that he has counter-play. It's that he lacks options.
Yaśuo Main1 votesNot entirely. He just AAs you
That alone and the fact that the only ability you need to know he has is Q is how almost everything that isn't in his favor is almost everything in the game. The only option he has to do damage is target one person and AA them meaning he eats everything and is squishy. In what world does he have no counterplay and is binary?
chipndip11 votes[{quoted}](name=Yaśuo Main,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=I1yKYNN6,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2018-01-23T21:02:08.831+0000)
That alone and the fact that the only ability you need to know he has is Q is how almost everything that isn't in his favor is almost everything in the game. The only option he has to do damage is target one person and AA them meaning he eats everything and is squishy. In what world does he have no counterplay and is binary?
You can have very few options while having no counter-play to the options you have. Garen's a prime example of that. You don't really do anything about what he does, and if Garen was actually made good, he'd feel relatively insurmountable because everything he does is up to him on his end. Yi is kind of the same way in that respect. You can't dodge a spree of high damage AAs. Most you can do is pelt him with cc and make him not play the game at all.
Doesn't mean that what he does has counter-play. It means he doesn't have many options to do many things.
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LechintanTudor3 votesYou realize that most people aren't pro players. If you are so good please explain me how to counter yi with a team of strangers I've never met before.
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Penns1 votesHe makes that statement with Azir and Ryze being right above him, so.. eh hehe
Oxyrotten1 votesThat's kind of baseless argument. Any champion can get fed off the bads on your team.
Aside from not feeding him, he is a really basic champion whose only offensive ability is aa. He has no cc and is extremely vulnerable to cc. Also building thornmail easily negates any item advantage he may have from being fed. Besides that he got a bunch of nerfs awhile back, making him even worse.
All Yi is good at is pubstomping, because noobs don't know how to deal with him. You only see him effective at low elos. Besides that he is an assassin, glass cannon build that's only purpose is to roam, he has no team fight potential, which means that the players who play him can pretty much be counted on to throw games because they care more about KDA than winning. Which opens up counterplay strategies since he can be easily baited by kda, and he will never be present for team fights he will only come in to clean up team fights.
TheProfezzor1 votesWhat he’s saying is that yes Yi can hyper carry but this is usually in low elo games because people don’t understand they need to pick CC into him and they need to effectively use that CC. Yi isn’t that much of a problem the higher the elo. At this point if your low elo just ban him.
Colton1472 votesYou're definitely a low-elo player. Blame yourself for not being able to stop Yi. Make better decisions. Make him useless early. Pick a champ with CC. Etc. Are Plat+ players complaining about Yi? No. So Yi is not a problem because guess what, HE'S NOT PRO-MATERIAL. Why? BECAUSE HE GETS SHIT ON EASILY. How? YOU GIT GUD.
has no real counterplay outside of CC. You can't really counter-build against him due to true damage (stacking health makes you vulnerable to the others, since you would have no resistances; 
also exists)
CC is everyone's counter and not just 's.
SEKAI1 votes
CC is everyone's counter and not just
You can counterjungle him with picks that have stronger early presence than him (which is like, 98% of the roster) and his entire career is ruined.
Like seriously, just pick someone like idk, Xin, and then chase after Yi throughout the jungle like a serial rapist and turns his game into grey screen simulator at your leisure. The same goes for Jax, Shaco, Udyr, Rammus, and quite many others.
Remember, Yi doesn't even have 50% win rate in bronze, let alone elos higher than that, that's how shit of a champ he is.
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Also, ultimately only a small portion of Yi's damage is gonna be true damage, despite what his E is gonna make you believe, the vast majority of Yi's damage is still always going to be physical. So Thronmail hurts him a lot too.
Sasogwa1 votes
CC is everyone's counter and not just
CC isn't everyone's counter to the same level. Yi's squishy. 1 cc after alpha or something, Yi doesn't deal any damage and just dies. There's slightly countered by CC and absolutely dumpstered by CC. Jax for instance is slightly countered by CC. He gets kited, doesn't kill the adc, ok. But then he got his ult to have large resistances, he has a low CD jump that isn't reliant on being able to autoattack, counterstrike. Yi just has nothing. Gets stunned by anything, dies. And his bruiser build has become extremely weak right now. People just deal too much damage in today's meta for him to be able to stack rageblade or get off lethal tempo reliably if he chooses that keystone, and botrk is kinda weak right now.
woodvsmurph2 votesFirst off, elo has nothing to do with a point being valid or not. If a rocket scientist or a drug addict tells you to jump off a bridge, would you listen to the former and not the latter because the rocket scientist is smarter than you? No - because jumping off a bridge and dying is stupidity. In the same manner, elo does not make an accurate statement untrue. There's plenty of dummies in high elo - you can hear diamonds, plats, and higher complain on boards every day if you want to take the time. Similarly, there are those of lower elo who have a much higher understanding of the game and/or more skill than you would ever believe possible. To claim otherwise just shows how ignorant you are.
Now, secondly - to the point about master yi. The game is a TEAM game. Just because YOU play correctly or YOU draft correctly doesn't mean you can make your TEAMMATES do so. So what if YOU solo killed yi jg 8 times and are 12/3/5. If your teammates all fed or just one lane or jg fed non-stop, it doesn't matter how well you played or how correctly you picked vs the enemy team comp. You lose - because your TEAM messed up - repeatedly. You could have shown in-game that you are a full tier above anyone else in the game in terms of skill, but if your teammates are playing that poorly, you won't carry, you won't win. Period. So get the heck out of here with your "git gud" bullcrap. People that do that crap are those who have self esteem issues and need to gloat over and/or bully people of lower rank than them to make themselves feel good because deep down, they realize they aren't.[sg-miss-fortune]
Moreover, if master yi is so trash in high elo, doesn't that just support the claim he needs a rework rather than a buff? Because a buff won't fix the problem that makes him trash at high elo and it won't fix the 1v5 champ he is at low elo. So... consider yourself outflanked mister. Your own claims have been used against you in the court of this boards. Judge, jury, and rework-acutioner lol.[slayer-jinx-wink]
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woodvsmurph1 votesIf i said nothing useful, you wouldn't bother replying.
You yourself said yi doesn't work in plat+ because teams draft correctly - a stat buff won't fix that. So OP calling for a rework of yi and not a buff that won't fix him for high elo but will just make him more oppressive in lower elo is actually very logical. It's actually very much what you should be agreeing with, so why are you arguing against it?
Those are really the only issues needing addressing. I could be petty and list all the times I've been smarter than plat+ players - including Korea in terms of builds, champs for roles, etc. But that would be petty.
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woodvsmurph1 votesWhat you said is half true. Yes, you said yi can easily be countered in plat+. This is true. No you did not simply argue that point alone. It is incorrect, arrogant, and flawed thinking to assume that it is always a player's fault for having a problem with a champion. Again, as I stated before, I might know perfectly well how to deal with (zed, yasuo, rengar, yi, insert "op" champ here - not necessarily actually op, just considered op). But if I have 4 teammates who draft stupidly, feed all of laning phase, don't group or split or collapse properly (whatever the correct strategy is depending on the champ), then I can't 1v5 no matter how fed I am. I could spend all game hunting the yi - and fall behind in lane because I'm running bot/top/mid/jg all game trying to kill yi, or i could win my lane. And that's all nice and good. But if 4 opponents win their "lane"/jg, I'm not going to out-teamfight 4 fed enemies if my team is that dumb. It doesn't matter what you tell people in bronze-gold. You can explain thoroughly NOT to force a fight because you are going to clear a giant wave, pull 2 people bot, and then tp to force a 5v3 baron the enemy team can't contest and they will still jump in on the first yasuo tornado they land on the other team and die 4v5 before you can complete a tp - costing your team baron, stopping you from killing bot inner tower (because you aren't an idiot who's going to finish it off and die 1v5), and potentially costing the game.
Git gud has nothing to do with such a game. It literally wouldn't matter if you are plat or diamond; you would lose such a game - you have such games at those ranks too. Four stupid teammates is 4 stupid teammates; there's no way around it. I can work with people who lose lane, down in cs, and 1/3/0 kda or something like that. No problem. But if they want to draft like shit, split when they need to group, never ward, never take an intelligent fight... a well coordinated team outweighs individual talent. Just look at when clg has won lcs - they didn't have individuals steamrolling their opponents 1v1 or 2v2. They had coordinated teamwork giving them the edge in every little skirmish and fight. Same thing applies to solo queue. Don't go assuming someone is too dumb to know how to deal with "OP" champ just because they say they don't like the champ.
I used to ban singed, not because I couldn't deal with singed, but because I'd regularly have my jg and mid running around chasing him all game instead of getting shit done on the map. Or I'd ban kha'zix because I know my teammates will run around alone on adc or squishy midlaners facechecking bushes instead of group up. Does that mean I need to "git gud" and learn how to deal with kha? No - I know how. I'm banning or complaining because my TEAMMATES don't on a regular basis. Don't assume to know whether or not this is the case about the player simply because they make a comment about an "OP" champ. That's all I'm saying.
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woodvsmurph1 votesDoubtful. Aside from the fact that you are unranked and have only played since last season, I would love to see you pull off a 1v2 carry of toplane vs a vlad and udyr while your bot lane goes 1/7/0, your mid lane is 3/5/2, and your jungle is somewhere between those 2 kda or inting even worse than bot despite giving bot lane a perma 3v2. I'd love to see you try to teamfight only to have one person afk farming jg camp, one person solo pushing side lane, and you trying to 3v5 defend inhib tower vs 3 fed enemies who can drop a full tank maokai in 2 sec flat - while you are perma-cc'd for the whole time and 2.5 sec after you are dead too. When you can do that, make a vid and post it on YouTube with the link posted here. I have won a game or two like that. I've also lost plenty like that. Pretty sure you wouldn't have the first clue what to do.
Zertryx1 votesAs a person who has played Yi and who is in low gold, Yi is very hard to do well with, he is a snowball champion if you can get a early kill and get a lead he can become very powerful but if you wait to long and team fights break he is very hard to get in on people especially if your team has any for of hard CC. i much rather see a lee sin, khazix, shyv, sej, ww on my team than a yi TBH
On that remark, i honestly would like to see Yi buffs / changes that allowed him to not only be good as a jungler but as a laner as well (much like trynd or yasuo)
