So uhh.. I love the ranged top laners but I don't think they should be top laners....

Hammermancer··2 votes·1,162 views

Hey guys,

So i've been a big fan of Jayce Gnar Quinn Teemo as champions, because they all have pretty cool kits, I do however think they them being top laners is sort of countering fun. let me explain

I think Riot needs to Rebalance and refocus these champions instead of just hitting them with a nerf bat, because most of them are actually unhealthy in numerous levels, to play against, or even to play as.

Jayce Of all of the ranged top laners, he has the best chance of being healthy in top lane assuming riot fixes him to require actual usage of his melee form more often in lane. Currently lethality abuse ruins this champion, after a cleaver and a ghostblade he does actively shit on many other champions until he is abruptly near useless around 25 minutes in the game. Nothing about this pattern is healthy, nor is his snipe. Personally i'd like to see the increased damage on his q require some other step, such as an all in, otherwise maybe even dissuade him from spamming lethality as it results in a diver with little to no defenses who simply takes 60+% of any squishy's health on a hit. That being said, as a champion I think he has a lot of potential with his current kit, but he should be looked at in terms of his scaling, both early and late, and his reliance on defensive stats in order to make him less like the most extreme case of a sniper in the game since Lethality varus was around. Jayce could very easily be tooled into a mini-rework in which he was moved over to the bruiser classification. I think jayce would be healthiest as some sort of weird mid lane bruiser, but in order to do that his scaling would have to be adjusted and his roam would have to be looked at.

Gnar Whenever I play a melee champion I'd rather deal with megagnar, that's saying enough. He more or less is bad for top lane, Though I do think that gnar, like the next champion, could be an excellent candidate for jungle. Simply by adding some bonus damage on his W to monsters and decreasing vs minions.

Quinn Make her passive show up less in early game, but make it hit monsters harder. this would push her into the jungle. Quinn suffers from many issues, especially from her inability to teamfight, but her roaming potential would make her a great jungler and objective taker if her kit had just a gentle shove towards it. In addition she is already a scout, so it makes more sense than the ADC role

Teemo Teemo, who the fuck wants a teemo on your team, Every time I face a teemo it goes as follows: Fuck levels 1-4 because i hate life, then i finish just enough damage to 1shot him, then he's useless. If he is a good teemo, it might take until level 8-10 to do this, but eventually all i have to do is get close to him: This is because teemo is squishy like an adc, and actually has a lot of ADC like functionality. My suggestion is to give him a minor range increase, and then split up his stealth passive, with it being an active attack speed buff on his W, and the stealth while sitting being an active with charges. His on hit damage could become his passive. Following this we let him go bot lane

12 Comments

Quil Evrything3 votes

it's unclear what you are suggesting.

Try a more general "I think riot needs to.." statement before you go into your champion breakdown.

Hammermancer1 votes

Thanks, I gave more of a clarification

Quil Evrything1 votes

cool. now I can cleanly disagree with you :)

Basically, youre' saying "playing against ranged champs top, with a normal top laner, is harrrd". The champs you picked out, are basically just the only CURRENT commonly played ranged champ. but ANY adc will make life difficult for you, if you are a bad bruiser.

So basically, what you are really saying is, "riot, please stop letting ranged champs play top".

Which cannot, and SHOULD NOT, happen.

FYI: I like to abuse melee top laners, by playing a DIFFERENT ranged champ. I wont say what it is, but I'll just say that if riot nerfed your 4 mentioned champs into the ground.. i'd still destroy you with my personal pref. And if you ban that one... I'll just pick a different adc. So learn to deal with it, instead of asking for stuff like this.

Death by Glamour2 votes

We can't just look at your game history lol.

Quil Evrything1 votes

Shhh! no you cant! thats totally against the TOS! hax!!

Death by Glamour1 votes

Kl i edited my post [slayer-jinx-wink]

Hammermancer1 votes

Its not about it being a challenge, its abput it being unfun

Also mf top would be a niche pick at best, enjoy when darius realises that you have no escape

Quil Evrything1 votes

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Its not about it being a challenge, its abput it being unfun

Also mf top would be a niche pick at best, enjoy when darius realises that you have no escape

oh come on just be honest with yourself. It's "unfun", because you cant win against it. also, any argument you can make for darius winning agianst mf, can also be made for darius against teemo. so you have just proven your whole premise in this article wrong, at least as far as teemo goes.

"my favourite champs have a tough time in lane against X" have never been a valid reason to do anything about champ X. It's only if champ X uniformly wins against all others.

Doge20201 votes

Gnar is a juggernaut/fighter so he naturally goes top, and you forgot Urgot; who is also a Juggernaut that is ranged, and goes top. I think Quinn goes top because there isn’t really that many other options. So far this season I have played against an adc Quinn twice and Quinn top once. And teemo I think is because of his extremely short range, which is great against melee top laners, and the fact that his DoT from e can decimate solo laners like top laners. Teemo’s idea with e in the early game is to poke the living hell out of your laner. Which is kinda hard to do when there is somebody else there to heal/shield them, and his blind is only on 1 person.

Hammermancer1 votes

I intentionally left out urgot, due to him having very usable counterplay, and extremely short range, a darius, garen, riven or jax can easily go toe to toe with an urgot if they know his patterns so long as they're able to outmaneuver the other player

the reason i suggested swapping teemo is simply to make the issues of his kit sort of vanish out of top lane, by making his E into his passive you reduce the power of him just maxing E and rushing liandry's. By making it his passive it will then scale with his level and itemization, the blind may actually need to be adressed, maybe simply making it into a skillshit would suffice Teemo in top lane is toxic because it feels bad to play against entirely, and feels bad to play as when you fall off abruptly between 15-20 minutes.

Gnar, honestly, if he had an armor shred instead of %max hp damage would probably be fine

Warlord Rhinark1 votes

What about my grill Kayle ?

She's become the new Skarner in terms of just being completely forgotten by everyone...

Automated Riven1 votes

As a toplane main, I don't really agree.

Gnar is fine, the only problem with him is frozen mallot.

Jayce has a slew of problems. He needs to lose either his all in potential or his poke potential in order to be balanced. Doesn't change if he is mid or top.

Quinn is garbage. Pushing her into jungle doesn't change that. Same with Teemo.

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