Valor and Quinn (If I get a Rioter on the thread it would be nice)

Hi! I am Leus from Latin America North

Well I have played the new Quinn, and I must say she has been reworked quite nicely, Her passive procs properly and quickly, her E is 340% more reliable, and well, her Q feels kinda bad even if it is good for farming (mostly because it has lost it's dueling potential -still I will talk the new changes-). Her roam feels nice, even If I miss my legendary friend Valor going in battle all full with me.

Still there are a few things that do not feel well; the fact that she is up to be played mid (when it doesn't make sense for a champ that should be played as an ADC and has a short range). If she goes mid and has to roam all over the game with her ult then she looses farm, and if she doesn't get a kill she will fall behind a lot, because now she is more reliant on snowballing than ever. Even if the mid lane is a lane we think when we say the word "roam", there is a lane which is more relevant on that area, and which could fit 4 times better whit Quinn's kit; the Jungle.

She needs very little changes to be suited for that area (as I played her as Quinn Jungle before in S5 and I could end games with a 25-9-12 score most of the time in normal games -if I played her in rankeds the team would go negative and troll on purpose just to loose-)

Yes I know the idea seems kinda crazy, but she does pretty well in the jungle, and you should give it a try if you are up to play her (just do not build Machete or the Jungler items at the beginning, or don't buy them at all, buy a corruption potion or a jungler potion, and Riot, I say this because the items have lost a lot of their worth and it is hard for many junglers now, I'm clear on this, I wouldn't have recommended this on S5).

What she needs (and she needs very little):

• Passive (Harrier): Make it deal 25% extra damage against monsters.

• Q: to have it's blind effect restored (not against champions) but against minions and monsters, and to make it last up to 2 seconds. Also it would be nice to check upon her new Blind mechanics, I hope it reduces the enemy champ vision to 0 and then it scales over 0.50 seconds to 500 like is stated on the PBE.

• R: I suggest a drastic change to the damage affect Skystrike had (which always seemed overwhelming and now has an underwhelming effect). Make it deal a base damage, plus 65% of Quinn's total AD, plus % max life (maybe 5-8%), that would allow her to have a powerful entry against anyone when she is up to apply Skestrike on a gank. Also please, add a longer cooldown, reduce the mana cost, and allow Quinn to use it since level 1, it is more of a morph than a regular ult, it has always been a morph, and you should embrace it.

  • State that she is a jungler, a legit jungler and that she is meant to be used as a jungler, and it will be enough, You will see Quinn flying through the games as a good jungler.

  • With these changes Quinn could be played as a legit jungler that really provides a good utility to the team and really scary ganks -I just recommend you to give it a shot-. She could be a really strong jungler champion, all her kit, the visibility, the capacity to slow and mark a target, the mobility, the roam, the chase and her lore make sense for a jungler champ. The problem Quinn always had was not within her or her kit, was the fact she was locked into the botlane ADC stereotype, now we have Kindred, can't we have Quinn jungle on the S6?

Also, just an advice, skystrike doesn't make sense now because Quinn is not on the sky shooting, could you create an especial effect where Valor shoots an storm of feathers or something like it? Or could you return the old tag team (Many of us, Quinn mains loved the rework and the fact you are taking care of Quinn, but felt deeply insulted because you gutted our pal Valor in to a mount, still Quinn hasn't changed much, but Valor did, and we are sad about it -check the forum for all the feedback-).

If Quinn doesn't receive a change on her approach (midlaner) she will become underplayed again, and unpopular once again (her win ratio has fallen), I know you want her to be a frequent pick, and even if it is controversial for some, Quinn jungle can fix all her current problems -and could make her a viable top again-.

And please, many of us want to have Valor back, but if you are up to do so I have some Ideas that could make her all-in (S5 Quinn) viable once again, and maybe make her become an LCS champ.