Kai'sa needs to be nerfed

feintfiend·Jan 30, 2019·11 votes·3,364 views

She has nearly double the pickrate of lucian and a 51% winrate, she's the 2nd most picked ADC in the game and I'm sure most people not playing her can agree she's way overtuned. If you're squishy she builds AP and just deletes you and has a fat shield so there's nothing you can do, yet she's also new-vayne and can shred tanks. Why does this champ get to do everything so well? She already has access to zhonyas and banshees unlike other ADCs. KDA is over can this champ finally get balanced?

15 Comments

HethaleanJan 30, 20194 votes

Where do you get she has double the pick rate of Lucian? The two sites that I use show that she has a less pick rate than Lucian and sub 50% win rate. Then why aren't we complaining about Vayne or Lucian? Similar pick rates, and higher win rates.

boricCentaur1Jan 30, 20193 votes

Vayne has not been good for a long time whereas kai'sa was basically the best adc in the game from mid season last year to the rageblade change and even that still put in the top 3 adcs so I rather have Kai'Sa nerfed over vayne.

Also I can't find the site either but this site does have Kai'Sa over lucian in play rate https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/overview/adc/diamond

HethaleanJan 30, 20192 votes

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Vayne has not been good for a long time whereas kai'sa was basically the best adc in the game from mid season last year to the rageblade change and even that still put in the top 3 adcs so I rather have Kai'Sa nerfed over vayne.

Also I can't find the site either but this site does have Kai'Sa over lucian in play rate https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/overview/adc/diamond

I don't agree that vayne is 'not good'. Even on that site, she's essentially 50% win rate with a huge pick rate for vayne. lolalytics and champion.gg both have Vayne has above 50% win rate with 20%+ pick rate. That's pretty good especially for Vayne.

Daddy AntsJan 30, 20191 votes

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Where do you get she has double the pick rate of Lucian? The two sites that I use show that she has a less pick rate than Lucian and sub 50% win rate. Then why aren't we complaining about Vayne or Lucian? Similar pick rates, and higher win rates.

Vayne's win rate is actually going down...

It started the patch at around 51.1-51.2, she's now around 50.5 - 50.6.

And it's gonna go down even further when 9.3 lands.

Caitlyn and Tristana getting stronger due to crit changes is an automatic nerf to champions like Vayne, Lucian, Kai'Sa

JaspersJan 30, 20194 votes

Add more skill? Not much skill in right clicking, pressing Q to do more damage, then press R to be safe. She has 1 skillshot and it has a 3000 unit range. Or put a cooldown on her Caustic Wounds passive so she can't proc it like 4 times on 1 tank in a fight. Or remove her second passive.

Honestly, while she has a passive that give her % missing HP damage which scales from AP and another passive that just gives her more damage, will she ever be balanced?

HethaleanJan 30, 20192 votes

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Add more skill? Not much skill in right clicking, pressing Q to do more damage, then press R to be safe. She has 1 skillshot and it has a 3000 unit range. Or put a cooldown on her Caustic Wounds passive so she can't proc it like 4 times on 1 tank in a fight. Or remove her second passive.

Honestly, while she has a passive that give her % missing HP damage which scales from AP and another passive that just gives her more damage, will she ever be balanced? That fact at one point this ADC was building Zhonyas and it was okay for her to do that showed something was off. The mainly magic damage champ in Kog'Maw built AD and Rageblade and never bought a Zhonyas. Heck, if he's doing well, he doesn't even have a passive. If she is doing well, she does more damage because she would have upgraded her abilities.

Varus too then. Something is off with Varus because there is definitely a time where he was successful with Lethality, On hit, and AP.

JaspersJan 30, 20192 votes

Then why isn't he doing as well? Doesn't have 2 passive, has to land his % missing HP via a skillshot. Skill. Kai'Sa right clicks.

Of course they nerfed him a lot too due to those other builds. Q for reduction in AD ratio and cooldown over the time. His damage on W was reduced too over the last season. Still pretty healthy pick ban in pros, mean while Kog and some Crit ADCs have seen a handful of pro picks in the last year, why pick Kog or even Vayne when you can Kai'Sa and do more damage with her and build Zhonyas?

HethaleanJan 30, 20191 votes

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Then why isn't he doing as well? Doesn't have 2 passive, has to land his % missing HP via a skillshot. Skill. Kai'Sa right clicks.

Of course they nerfed him a lot too due to those other builds. Q for reduction in AD ratio and cooldown over the time. His damage on W was reduced too over the last season. Still pretty healthy pick ban in pros, mean while Kog and some Crit ADCs have seen a handful of pro picks in the last year, why pick Kog or even Vayne when you can Kai'Sa and do more damage with her and build Zhonyas?

Right, but you're complaining because her build is flexible, but there have been times where other champions have more damage and are more successful than Kaisa and have flexible builds. It's not the flexible build, it's you think she's too strong.

Why would you pick Vayne? You would have to ask al the people who pick Vayne in platinum+ at an equal rate to kaisa but have higher win rate on Vayne than Kaisa.

feintfiendJan 30, 20193 votes

Yeha I'm thinking her passive needs to have a per champion cooldown so she just can't proc it 5 times in 6 seconds and delete a tank.