New Assassin Item Nightfall Passive Damage Spreadsheet.

RAT IN GAME UwU ·Dec 19, 2015·3 votes·1,815 views

I made this to bring some clarity to the numbers this passive will actually put out, this spreadsheet shows the damage it does at 3 health ranges, with various physical damage reduce numbers.

Obviously 20% is going to be no armor targets and the item wielder will have a ton of armor penetration, 40-50% is going to be your average ADC, 60+ will be a heavy armor tank. There is enough info here to infer damage to 5k+ hp tanks, and almost any range in between when using your head.

Some of these HP ranges and armor amounts should never be met, but they're there just because.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_yI4GRWHwzufHgiBJKb8jeQiWXeUztk_-mRfsoP4Weo/pubhtml

As you can see in this spreadsheet...it's not killing anyone who isn't pretty much dead already, it is not as strong as a zed ult, or even a thunderlord's decree until the enemy has a LOT of health.

22 Comments

ModWulf HelhammerDec 19, 20152 votes

Aaaaaaaaaand this item isn't even in the test realm yet, so we have absolutely no idea how it will turn out

RAT IN GAME UwU Dec 20, 20152 votes

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Aaaaaaaaaand this item isn't even in the test realm yet, so we have absolutely no idea how it will turn out

you're right, forgive me for going out of my way to try and bring clarity to a proposed item that everyone is freaking out about based on the way it currently sits in development, my bad. They never release items they propose, I should probably have just learned how to weave a basket instead of making this chart.

RatbertDec 20, 20151 votes

Yes because using raw numbers is an accurate way to portray a dynamic system.

RAT IN GAME UwU Dec 20, 20151 votes

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Yes because using raw numbers is an accurate way to portray a dynamic system.

What does this even mean? did you even look at the sheet? It shows different hp amounts, and different armor amounts, as well as different current levels of HP...it's pretty comprehensive in terms of explaining the damage you should expect, it uses Riot's numbers as well

You guys are unbelievable, I go out of my way to provide something nice, and accurate for you to look at for your own reference, and it's just downvoted to hell and complained about, I realize now why Riot puts no effort into explaining anything, and does not listen to this forum at all.

RatbertDec 20, 20151 votes

It means that stuff on paper isn't a good comparison to stuff in practice. Probably should have just said that.

That being said, it's hard to judge power based on numbers alone and not actual performance.

RAT IN GAME UwU Dec 20, 20152 votes

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It means that stuff on paper isn't a good comparison to stuff in practice. Probably should have just said that.

That being said, it's hard to judge power based on numbers alone and not actual performance.

that's what this game is...numbers, literally everything is numbers, we're not talking about communism, we're talking about math in a math based game...I don't really know why you're saying this, but it's coming off like those autistic people in high school that copy what they hear in other context and repeat it to try and sound smart.

RatbertDec 20, 20151 votes

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RAT IN GAME UwU Dec 20, 20152 votes

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"math based game" I didn't realize player actions were math based (you know, positioning, timing, accuracy, resource management,reflexes and general awareness). I didn't realize you could look at all possible (there are infinite) interactions with that new item. My bad, we can't all be superstars.

Based solely on numbers, people who have aoes and can potentially affect multiple champs are literally many times stronger than everyone else, yet it's not the case.

How on earth is saying "stuff one paper isn't a good comparison to stuff in practice" trying to sound smart? Are you one of those people that know like 100 words? D o I n e e d t o s p e a k s l o w l y f o r y o u?

Please tell me what the hell positioning or AOE has to do with the damage numbers of this passive?

It doesn't matter how they get to their (Max Health - Current health * .25 / (armor amount))

I posted a spreadsheet that shows the damage it does after 2 seconds, based on their max health, current health, and armor, there is no positioning or spells on earth that are going to change this, the math will be 100% accurate based on those 3 things always. If zed does this to a Fizz for example, and all 4 other players hit him, he then teleports to a map on halo 5 and a spartan shoots him for 100 dmg, and then teleports to club penguin and heals for 50, whatever his health is after all that, that math will work as intended and deliver damage based on his current health, max health, and armor

it is never going to change, what you're saying is 100% nonsense, and you just sound confused.

RatbertDec 21, 20151 votes

So you reported me for being mean, yet made fun of autistic people, while comparing me to one. Ok.

Ok, riddle me this, if you can't apply something, how much damage does it do? Take your time.

What about spells that modify damage or grant invincibility? Did you take into account that it's another hit and applies related affects (bs, the new keystones)? Or did you just look at one item's numbers by itself and say "this item isn't that strong guys!"

Did you not realize it's just giving assassins another bit of guaranteed burst (you know, why dfg was removed) and ANOTHER failsafe to kill someone in case they don't die?

RAT IN GAME UwU Dec 21, 20151 votes

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So you reported me for being mean, yet made fun of autistic people, while comparing me to one. Ok.

Ok, riddle me this, if you can't apply something, how much damage does it do? Take your time.

What about spells that modify damage or grant invincibility? Did you take into account that it's another hit and applies related affects (bs, the new keystones)? Or did you just look at one item's numbers by itself and say "this item isn't that strong guys!"

Did you not realize it's just giving assassins another bit of guaranteed burst (you know, why dfg was removed) and ANOTHER failsafe to kill someone in case they don't die?

i have never reported anyone for anything on forums first off.

I don't even know what you're asking me when you say take your time...

when you are left with x amount of health when nightfall goes off, you take damage based on your health that you are currently sitting at when the nightfall procs, it doesn't matter at all what else is going on, if nightfall goes off and you get hit again and die, cool, nothing to do with this thread, if you get hit by other people and drop really low and nightfall goes off and kills you, cool, it's because you were at X health and it dealt the damage it was supposed to. Nightfall does not deal damage based on when you got hit, it deals damage based on the health you have after 2 seconds, nothing else said by you has any effect on it whatsoever, the spreadsheet is accurate, when it goes off if you have that health left, that's the damage you're taking.

also this isn't burst at all, it is delayed damage that pops eventually, DFG does decent damage the second you cast it and does not require them to have missing health.

None of what you're saying at all makes any sense so i'm blacklisting you and not responding anymore. have a good day, hopefully you get some medication soon

RatbertDec 21, 20151 votes

Oh really, you didn't report me. Really doubt that but ok.

If you can't hit something, how much damage does it do? The answer is 0, which means that your numbers up there don't always happen. Which is why positioning matters because if the adc can dodge you, it'll deal 0.

Nightfall deals DAMAGE. IF YOU MODIFY DAMAGE OUTPUT, YOU MODIFY NIGHTFALLS NUMBERS. It's like I have to explain everything as plainly as possible.

It IS burst. It's ONE HIT.

My goodness, you're wrong so you cop out and blacklist me. I hope one day you can read.

RAT IN GAME UwU Dec 21, 20151 votes

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Oh really, you didn't report me. Really doubt that but ok.

If you can't hit something, how much damage does it do? The answer is 0, which means that your numbers up there don't always happen. Which is why positioning matters because if the adc can dodge you, it'll deal 0.

Nightfall deals DAMAGE. IF YOU MODIFY DAMAGE OUTPUT, YOU MODIFY NIGHTFALLS NUMBERS. It's like I have to explain everything as plainly as possible.

It IS burst. It's ONE HIT.

My goodness, you're wrong so you cop out and blacklist me. I hope one day you can read.

what the fuck...it applies nightfall if you auto someone, after you've auto'd them and it's applied, my chart shows the damage it will do when it goes off, nothing more, nothing less, what the hell are these scenarios you're talking about, and why? I don't understand what is going on in your brain...

I can't for the life of me figure out what you're trying to say here or why, and again I don't report people for anything, plus if you didn't get a post deleted how do you even know you've been reported for something?

RatbertDec 21, 20152 votes

If you've looked closely, you made a claim.

As you can see in this spreadsheet...it's not killing anyone who isn't pretty much dead already, it is not as strong as a zed ult, or even a thunderlord's decree until the enemy has a LOT of health.

Which isn't true (except for the zed ult part). Yes, I probably could have been less of a dick and more to the point, but strength isn't just numbers.

RAT IN GAME UwU Dec 21, 20151 votes

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If you've looked closely, you made a claim.

Which isn't true (except for the zed ult part). Yes, I probably could have been less of a dick and more to the point, but strength isn't just numbers.

how is it not true? in order to die from it you have to be around 150 health, anything else that lands is killing you, how is that not close to dead?

VreivaiDec 21, 20151 votes

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how is it not true? in order to die from it you have to be around 150 health, anything else that lands is killing you, how is that not close to dead?

Close to dead does not equal dead.

RatbertDec 21, 20151 votes

Because something has to land to kill you first. 1 hp means you're still alive. Even if just barely. This is why karthus' ult has such an absurd cooldown.

Nightfall gives it to you for free if you can hit a targeted attack. That's not very fair.

VreivaiDec 21, 20151 votes

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Nightfall deals DAMAGE. IF YOU MODIFY DAMAGE OUTPUT, YOU MODIFY NIGHTFALLS NUMBERS. It's like I have to explain everything as plainly as possible.

Well, yeah, if the target has more health, it's going to do less damage, and if you have more armor penetration, you do more damage.

Which is what his chart displays. What's your problem with it?

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Which isn't true (except for the zed ult part). Yes, I probably could have been less of a dick and more to the point, but strength isn't just numbers.

Ok, this is actually correct, though.

RAT IN GAME UwU Dec 21, 20151 votes

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Well, yeah, if the target has more health, it's going to do less damage, and if you have more armor penetration, you do more damage.

Which is what his chart displays. What's your problem with it?

Ok, this is actually correct, though.

there is no getting through to this guy, he is in full ****** mode.

Irelia BotDec 20, 20151 votes

if the enely has 100 effect armor after reductions and you do 50% of the targets health in damage you have a grand total of 6.25% of their health done as damage.

This item will be alright but not anywhere near as game breaking as people are making it out to be.

It is more a way t ospread out damage from burst champs to a couple seconds.

GigahappytownDec 21, 20151 votes

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if the enely has 100 effect armor after reductions and you do 50% of the targets health in damage you have a grand total of 6.25% of their health done as damage.

This item will be alright but not anywhere near as game breaking as people are making it out to be.

It is more a way t ospread out damage from burst champs to a couple seconds.

Keep your spaghetti in your pockets please.