Why can't you just bring back AP Fizz but remove his Untargetable skill?

4NoxiousHours·Apr 8, 2015·3 votes·1,262 views

Fizz should return back to his AP self as a mid laner like months ago, BUT remove his untargetable ability from his E. There should be no reason for this champion to have a free Zhonya mixed with an escape/utility to slow enemies. All that in such an early level with a late game low cool down.

Fizz isn't a fair champion at all, he is too slippery and there isn't any counter play that you can do when he uses his E. It's more worse than Yasuo's wind wall because at least when it comes to yasuo's wind wall you can still get him from a ground skill like Chogath's Q while Fizz's E is immune to EVERYTHING.

11 Comments

LadyRenlyApr 8, 20153 votes

Him being slippery is literally his identity. There is literally nothing wrong with it.

4NoxiousHoursApr 8, 20152 votes

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Him being slippery is literally his identity. There is literally nothing wrong with it.

being Immune to skills is NOT being slippery he can still keep his Identity by being the champ whos hard to catch with that low cool down of his E.

Some people are too focused upon him Identity over whats "FAIR" in play.

tofutimeApr 8, 20151 votes

He will be extremely weak without some compensation then. Elise, Vlad and in some aspects Zed have the same invulnerability as well. Being invulnerable isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's how it's applied to the champ's kit. I think if they kept his E and changed the rest of his skills around he might be easier to balance. His Q might give him too much mobility so maybe if they gave him a certain set of rules on which he can use Q on a target then it'd be better. For instance Nidalee can only leap great distances towards a target if they're hunted. This forces Fizz into situations where he has to use his E sparingly because he doesn't have free mobility in other areas.

4NoxiousHoursApr 8, 20152 votes

like if people don't want his immune ability to be removed then they are greedy AF. When fizz uses his E, he has a long range to escape like thats all he needs.

Just like Zed's shadow, Caitlyn's Net, Azir's dash, etc etc

he shouldn't be able to be immune AND dash, thats just unfair and no counter play at all right there.

People waste their ult, mana, skills etc etc to catch him in his mid dash but no he's able to absorb all that. But you can catch Caitlyn and Azir

I am a superstarApr 11, 20151 votes

Kite out/wait for E to be down, smash him with cc... Micromanagement in team fights is the issue. When u can keep track of what enemy abilities pose the most threat to your team fizz no longer becomes a problem, unless he can snowball out of an early lead.

HıryuApr 8, 20152 votes

if youre going to take away his "free zhonyas" then take away vlads pool as well. Him having his untargetable e is fine. They just need to make it to where if you land his ultimate then he should be able to kill with his abilities, unlike before where he could one shot squishies with q and e. But last patch they did do this and fizz is balanced cuz now in order to one shot someone you have to land your ultimate.. dont know why people are still complaining about this.

4NoxiousHoursApr 8, 20151 votes

You guys are arguing with Zed's ult that has a 60+ cool down throughout the game.

Vlad has a LONGER cool down than Fizz's E.

Elise isn't used as an escape AT ALL AND has a Longer cool down than Fizz.

JustMyBassCannonApr 8, 20151 votes

Unlike Zed, Vlad and Elise, Fizz has no range outside of his ultimate, pathetic innate defenses and weak AoE.

ZephyrDrakeApr 8, 20152 votes

someone just got dumpstered by a Fizz it seems

DeloricVIApr 8, 20151 votes

I think Fizz has an identity problem, not that in he doesn't have one, it's that it affects his kit and balance way too much. He's supposed to be tricky and slippery, but they made him a little too slippery. And he can't get turret aggro when he uses Playful/Trickster!? What is this!?

tofutimeApr 8, 20151 votes

Very interesting idea. On one hand Fizz's E is his identity, on the other hand if they would remove that and strengthen him in other areas there might be less crying about him.

The one thing I hate about Fizz is he's another feast or famine champ. His laning is garbage so he relies on kills to get going. He can't get in to do damage reliably without high mobility and a dodge mechanic certainly helps with that. If they take away his dodge mechanic they need to replace it with a better laning mechanic to even it up. My guess would be a ranged skill that he can safely farm/harass with in lane; similar to katarina's bouncing blades.