Make Fiora scale with Crit as well as AD

Miraweave··1 votes·997 views

I know a lot of people just want nerfs, and that's entirely fair given how disgusting she is right now, but then you're just going to end up with her being either imbalanced or useless.

The problem Fiora has right now is that she scales linearly off of a single stat, so there's nothing to stop her from building tanky. This is generally true of most bruisers, who's damage scales off of flat ad or maybe ad/as, but Fiora has %hp true damage. %hp true damage needs to be balanced by the champion in question being easy to kill. Garen is the exception because his is only to one predefined target some of the time.

If we adjusted Fiora's AD ratio on her passive but made the passive also scale with crit chance, we'd force her to build crit items in order to do the same levels of damage she does with just flat AD now, which would mean that she'd have fewer slots for tank items and would need to get her tank items later in the game if she wanted to do damage. Fiora's fine as long as she has to rely on her kit's built-in defensive mechanisms to survive. Once she starts building tanky, that reliance completely vanishes.

Force Fiora to build more aggressively, and she'll basically be fixed. As long as she's squishy, the answer to her becomes "just kill her", and that's totally fine.

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Abyssphere3 votes

You could so easily achieve this just by lowering her base damages so she needs to build more damage items, or lowering her AD scaling so that she needs to build more AD to get the same amount of damage she currently has. Forcing her to build like an ADC is a terrible idea, particularly when crit is hugely tied to AS and she doesn't like AS at all.

Critmaster Garen2 votes

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You could so easily achieve this just by lowering her base damages so she needs to build more damage items, or lowering her AD scaling so that she needs to build more AD to get the same amount of damage she currently has. Forcing her to build like an ADC is a terrible idea, particularly when crit is hugely tied to AS and she doesn't like AS at all.

her base values are already really low though, and her scalings really high.

i think the issue here is her survivability when built squishy, rather than the tanky build being the most optimal path. its better to survive and deal some damage, than technically being able to 100 - 0 anyone but realistically dieing before you can get there.

Hinagiku331 votes

Basically this ^

I've played Fiora as a glass cannon since Season 2 and I have no intention of building her tanky. It doesn't fit her character or Riot's intentions when designing her kit. It's like the idiotic Tank!Katarina build that was popular in Season 3 - her damage was less than half normal Kat's, but people just liked actually getting to live and decided they would rather splash a little damage around and pick up assists than go big or go home.

And glass cannon Fiora explodes as hard as Sona. I can see why people don't want to do that to themselves.

I like it because it's risky as heck but full AD Fiora's damage is still completely bonkers. I've had the indicator for my E's second proc list the damage as over 1,000 thanks to Infinity Edge...and that much AD made my passive procs hit for something like 20+%

Her already low base values getting nerfed even harder in addition to her already nerfed base stats will just make her early game completely unplayable for anyone that doesn't main her. Like worse than Akali's pre-6. Lack of survivability when built full AD is definitely a reason people opt for tanky/bruiser builds on her and taking that away without giving glass Fiora some way to more reliably not suck will just gut her beyond playability for most people.

KidSpectre2 votes

Lately I've been bullying Fioras out of lane with Poppy.

Miraweave1 votes

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Lately I've been bullying Fioras out of lane with Poppy.

Well yeah, the answer to one imbalanced thing is usually another even more imbalanced thing.

KidSpectre1 votes

Do elaborate on how exactly Poppy is imbalanced.

PLN Terra Mesa1 votes

i bully Fiora out of lane with Wukong .....shes not hard to play against....but in the hands of a "good one" her skills are kinda bullshit atm...

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