Reminder that LB can deal 1.6k damage with her Mimic'd W at full build

ChickenWrap··2 votes·1,162 views

Balanced?

Edit: Because I see people are downvoting me, I suppose I'll have to back up my claim with basic mathematics.

item 3285 item 3089 item 3157 item 3165 item 3020 item 3135 120 + 120 + 120 + 80 + 70 = 510 AP. +15 AP from AP quints +22 AP from masteries +40 AP from AP potion 15+22+40 = 77 510 + 77 = 587 AP

Now. Deathcap gives an extra 30% AP. Archmage increases that bonus by 5%. First level Dragon Buff increases that by another 6%. 30 + 5 + 6 = 41% bonus AP 41% of 587 is 240 587 + 240 = 827 AP.

450 + 97.5% of 827 (806) = 1256 damage. +3% increased damage from Havoc, + 1.5% damage from Double-Edged Sword = 4.5% of 1256 (56) + 1256 = 1311

Luden's would also proc, dealing 100 + 15% of 827 (124) for 224 damage. 4.5% of 224 = 10. Ludens deals 234 damage. 1311 + 234 = 1545

I we also include Executioner, we assume your opponent is below 50% HP and you deal an extra 5% of taht damage.

5% of 1545 is 77.

1545 + 77 = 1622 damage.

11 Comments

KindThought1 votes

She does a ton of damage early game too, and her various abilities to escape are pretty annoying. I can see why she's banned a lot in lower elo.

ElderwoodBard1 votes

gangplank can do up to 3200 damage every 4 seconds with his Q and that's while he basic attacks you with a lower amount of 1300 or so.

of course it never happens because, like le blanc not everyone can play a champion with enough finesse to get these high damage output levels.

really I barely see anyone play gangplank at all

ChickenWrap1 votes

Because I see people are downvoting me, I suppose I'll have to back up my claim with basic mathematics.

item 3285 item 3089 item 3157 item 3165 item 3020 item 3135 120 + 120 + 120 + 80 + 70 = 510 AP. +15 AP from AP quints +22 AP from masteries +40 AP from AP potion 15+22+40 = 77 510 + 77 = 587 AP

Now. Deathcap gives an extra 30% AP. Archmage increases that bonus by 5%. First level Dragon Buff increases that by another 6%. 30 + 5 + 6 = 41% bonus AP 41% of 587 is 240 587 + 240 = 827 AP.

450 + 97.5% of 827 (806) = 1256 damage. +3% increased damage from Havoc, + 1.5% damage from Double-Edged Sword = 4.5% of 1256 (56) + 1256 = 1311

Luden's would also proc, dealing 100 + 15% of 827 (124) for 224 damage. 4.5% of 224 = 10. Ludens deals 234 damage. 1311 + 234 = 1545

I we also include Executioner, we assume your opponent is below 50% HP and you deal an extra 5% of taht damage.

5% of 1545 is 77.

1545 + 77 = 1622 damage.

MrPerson101 votes

Find me one assassin that doesn't do insane amounts of damage

Full build KatKatarina ult rocks a solid 1900+ damage per blade to the 3 closest enemy champions assuming you didn't take a true defensive. Even if you did, you're looking at 1700+. Again, per blade. Per champion.

Gangplank built as Critplank crits for over 3000 damage as mentioned, and that's at range.

Ahri combo 100-0 by mid-game.

Diana W/Q/R/AA/E/AA puts out almost 5000 damage at end-game.

Khazix Q hits for over 1k on isolated targets in the mid-game, instant deletes with e/q in the late-game.

MasterYi Q to win, 600+damage on a single auto (without crit) + true damage from E, has a DR and heal mechanic to boot.

Nidalee Q deletes ADCs in one hit, if it didn't then the AA that follows will.

Shaco Instantly deleted without any reaction time. Q/hydra/AA deals well over 3000 damage at full build.

TwistedFate Yellow card/AA/Q/AA puts out nearly 3000 damage between two spells and two AAs.

Yasuo Do I even have to explain the AoE crits?

Point being, every assassin in the game has an insane amount of damage- but they all have clear potential counterplay.

ChickenWrap1 votes

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Find me one assassin that doesn't do insane amounts of damage

Full build KatKatarina ult rocks a solid 1900+ damage per blade to the 3 closest enemy champions assuming you didn't take a true defensive. Even if you did, you're looking at 1700+. Again, per blade. Per champion.

Gangplank built as Critplank crits for over 3000 damage as mentioned, and that's at range.

Ahri combo 100-0 by mid-game.

Diana W/Q/R/AA/E/AA puts out almost 5000 damage at end-game.

Khazix Q hits for over 1k on isolated targets in the mid-game, instant deletes with e/q in the late-game.

MasterYi Q to win, 600+damage on a single auto (without crit) + true damage from E, has a DR and heal mechanic to boot.

Nidalee Q deletes ADCs in one hit, if it didn't then the AA that follows will.

Shaco Instantly deleted without any reaction time. Q/hydra/AA deals well over 3000 damage at full build.

TwistedFate Yellow card/AA/Q/AA puts out nearly 3000 damage between two spells and two AAs.

Yasuo Do I even have to explain the AoE crits?

Point being, every assassin in the game has an insane amount of damage- but they all have clear potential counterplay.

LeBlanc does it with one button press, and that's not even her most powerful ability.

MrPerson101 votes

See above post, as do all 6 of those.

I also forgot about Shaco, who does as well.

Shenron1 votes

{quoted}

Find me one assassin that doesn't do insane amounts of damage

Full build KatKatarina ult rocks a solid 1900+ damage per blade to the 3 closest enemy champions assuming you didn't take a true defensive. Even if you did, you're looking at 1700+. Again, per blade. Per champion.

Gangplank built as Critplank crits for over 3000 damage as mentioned, and that's at range.

Ahri combo 100-0 by mid-game.

Diana W/Q/R/AA/E/AA puts out almost 5000 damage at end-game.

Khazix Q hits for over 1k on isolated targets in the mid-game, instant deletes with e/q in the late-game.

MasterYi Q to win, 600+damage on a single auto (without crit) + true damage from E, has a DR and heal mechanic to boot.

Nidalee Q deletes ADCs in one hit, if it didn't then the AA that follows will.

Shaco Instantly deleted without any reaction time. Q/hydra/AA deals well over 3000 damage at full build.

TwistedFate Yellow card/AA/Q/AA puts out nearly 3000 damage between two spells and two AAs.

Yasuo Do I even have to explain the AoE crits?

Point being, every assassin in the game has an insane amount of damage- but they all have clear potential counterplay.

Which of these deal that much damage with a single ability?

MrPerson101 votes
  1. Katarina r
  2. Nidalee q
  3. Yasuo r
  4. TwistedFate q or w are both capable
  5. Gangplank q
  6. Chogath r for another one.

e/ almost forgot 7. Shaco

ProfDrDeath1 votes

Even full build Kat DOES NOT do 1900 damage per blade.

More like, 1900 damage over 10 blades.

Or, even more realistically, with 600 AP, 2250 damage over 10 blades.

IwfiKe3qjM1 votes

You did the Rabaddon + Archmage + Dragon stack wrong... I heard those three stacked multiplicatively (since they are percentage), not additively...

since Rabaddon +30% Archmage +5% Dragon first stack +6%

So 1.3 x 1.05 x 1.06 = 1.4469 so 44,69% Bonus AP

not 30% + 5% + 6% = 41%

so it's actually greater than your calculation???

dunno about Havoc + Executioner + Double-Edged Sword... I thought those all calculated at same time... (and after Luden I believe...) but maybe wrong...

ChickenWrap1 votes

{quoted}

You did the Rabaddon + Archmage + Dragon stack wrong... I heard those three stacked multiplicatively (since they are percentage), not additively...

since Rabaddon +30% Archmage +5% Dragon first stack +6%

So 1.3 x 1.05 x 1.06 = 1.4469 so 44,69% Bonus AP

not 30% + 5% + 6% = 41%

so it's actually greater than your calculation???

dunno about Havoc + Executioner + Double-Edged Sword... I thought those all calculated at same time... (and after Luden I believe...) but maybe wrong...

So here's another person saying that my calculations are wrong but that she should be doing more than 1.6k

But my post is downvoted because...? Are you just all in extreme denial or what.

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