Old Garen was very fun and balanced to play. He was a very healthy champion. Simple yet effective Garen was a Garen-teed blast to play. This new Garen is a OP, Broken, Cancer, Unhealthy conqeror abuser of a champion
Literally no one wanted his reworked, he was balanced, its just that with many other aspects in the game being overpowered, he seemed weak.
Please do Garen justice and revert him
I played a lot of Garen before the awful rework
MetalGearTeemo6 votesPlease revert this champion back into obscurity and ranked nonexistance, he bullied me in a normal and I don't know how to use my Mobility to escape his incredibly long Q animation on reaction.
Magnesium144 votesPlease revert this champion back into obscurity and ranked nonexistance, he bullied me in a normal and I don't know how to use my Mobility to escape his incredibly long Q animation on reaction.
His Q was balanced, see you were more skilled than the Garen player and therefore could outplay Garen. If the Garen was better he would have used his Q correctly at specific times to get you when you woudn't be able to dodge and do decent damage and be rewarded while also silencing you Previous Garen was totally balanced I am not biased at all, was my favorite champion.
True Garen5 votes#LeaveGarenAlone
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#LeaveGarenAlone
True the Great Garen was the best champion in the game until rito touched him.
FGamerTFT1 voteswhy?
True Garen1 voteswhy?
This has been my motto for a few months now. It refers to leaving previous Garen alone and not reworking him.
JRobin313 votesRITO: Garen is being played at Worlds. Success!
Players: ... [zombie-brand-facepalm]
Stephenizgod1 votesThe Garen being played at Worlds isnt even the current Garen... its before this latest change. So I doubt Riot is celebrating their "rework" of him being in Worlds because they would know that.
Sukishoo2 votesNo one really wanted the previous rework either which is what you are talking about, so.
Magnesium144 votesNo one really wanted the previous rework either which is what you are talking about, so.
What previous rework? What I'm saying is that Garen the Garen-teed most fun champion to play was a totally healthy champion until Riot did their magic and ruined one of the few champions that are fun.
Sukishoo1 votesThe addition of things like Villain were part of a previous rework.
Magnesium144 votesThe addition of things like Villain were part of a previous rework.
Okay, Previous Garen was still better IMO.
Mihalikb2 votesGaren was fun to play. For masochists.
Spending the whole laning phase under tower waiting for your opponent to do something dumb, trying not to fall too far behind in CS and praying for jungle assistance was soooooo much fun.
Magnesium144 votesGaren was fun to play. For masochists.
Spending the whole laning phase under tower waiting for your opponent to do something dumb, trying not to fall too far behind in CS and praying for jungle assistance was soooooo much fun.
Extreme exaggeration of his problems, he was a pretty balanced. Its just that when the assassin can one shot you while you are ahead as a Juggernaut and the other top laners can pretty much take no damage from you while dealing huge damage back and the jungle can camp you the whole game while still being ahead he seems pretty weak he didnt need a buff the game needed nerfing
Emperor Talquin2 votesOld garen didn't exist outside of low elo. New garen is slightly overpowered and will stabalize after a few weeks.
Magnesium145 votes[{quoted}](name=Emperor Talquin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HcWtLape,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-10-11T20:30:17.890+0000)
Old garen didn't exist outside of low elo. New garen is slightly overpowered and will stabalize after a few weeks.
As I said above when you have the things that Garen most struggles against OP, and the meta also being unfair and OP towards him he is not going to be as good. Old Garen didn't exactly have a lot of play in high elo, but it did exist and it was okay. He will not stabilize how do you stabilize a champion that can just use Q run you down use E and in a fe seconds you low enough for an ultimate to kill you. He has pretty much become an Assasin with a big MS instead of actual mobility And now his tankiness is pretty much non existant in non tank meta So he is currently OP and when he finally does "Stabilize" he will be soo much worse off tha is if he ever does which he probably wont unless their are some big nerfs
Emperor Talquin1 votesYou make a good point.
Hopefully after riot nerfs garen, they will nerf ap malphite. He is literally unbeatable.
William Wallace2 votesThe only broken thing about new garen is his early damage E that's all,his E damage late is low compare to old garen,after they nerf his base damage on E again(for the second time)and some armor(also second time) I dont think he will be able to do more then 1k now you will need atleast 3 attack speed items for some decent damage maybe 1.3k,so cosidering garen is a high mobility champ you can play more E damage and have like 150 armor usless btw, or buy tank to proteck yuorself and deal less then 1k on E,old garen with more then 300 armor was easy to kite you lose more then 50% of your HP trying to catch enemy adc before you finnaly catch him and kill him,imagine this new 150 armor garen!
Stephenizgod1 votesOld Garen was weak outside of bronze-silver elo. Actually not just weak, he was totally useless, most people know what spacing is and that pretty much negated anything Old Garen could do. The Villain mechanic was the worst thing they did to him and it caused him to be incredibly overpowered and then incredibly useless again because he needed to be nerfed.
This Garen is nothing, yea he needs some fine tuning (lower early E damage and his Ult does too much true damage), but other than that he isn't even a problem. He gets countered by a bunch of meta top laners and is super susceptible to ganks, if he can't leave laning phase with a lead he is useless for the rest of the game. Learn spacing, learn how to kite, learn how to play against him, DONT STAND IN HIS E AND TRY TO TRADE WITH HIM. He is simple which makes him strong, but it also makes his counterplay simple and easy. There is a reason why majority of the complaining about Garen is coming from Low Elo players, they don't know how to lane or trade or kite or how to control a wave. Yea he has above 50% winrate in Plat and above, buts its falling pretty consistently and he hard counters certain champions and is fairly new still.