why is it that sejuani in the jungle gets gutted twice, pre-rework and post rework

LeMemeBoy·10/3/2018, 6:49:36 AM·13 votes·6,037 views

and never gets compensatory buffs even though it's ALWAYS itemization that makes her strong? why is it okay to leave champions like Sejuani Azir Shyvana Syndra TahmKench Vi RekSai Lulu in the trash bin citing unhealthy gameplay mechanics while the champs i list below are all consistently in the meta for the WORST reasons? hyper mobility, high base damages, high scaling damage, and strong early games to boot.

why is it that champions like LeeSin Khazix Ahri Ekko Lucian Jhin Graves Akali Jax are usually complained about EVERY season, and when they finally get nerfed it's love-taps that get reverted 3 months later, while adding some bullshit buff on top of it?

13 Comments

saltran10/3/2018, 7:01:55 AM5 votes

To be fair, I'm really glad that ThamKench and Azir are on the trash side right now.

Fuck DZKlein for creating those champs.

Warlord Rhinark10/3/2018, 6:57:03 AM1 votes

It's not like this question hasn't already been asked plenty of times before.

ValyrianBlade10/3/2018, 7:23:58 AM1 votes

Sej, azir, lulu, and rek'sai are all due to pro play.

Shyvanna is just an auto attacker... Stat checks aren't good.

Syndra is a worse example of unhealthy than anyone in the lower group (miss all skill shots, press r to kill).

Also - Ahri gets complained about a lot because people who don't play her think Ahri players must be bad since she's a "sex symbol" and they just be "weebs" and not true "gamers". In reality, Ahri is probably one of the healthiest champion designs in league. While her numbers can end up too strong, she never needs to be guttered because of this.

I make this argument on EVERY Ahri hate thread I post on, and in 4 years have never seen a half decent argument against it. Ahri burns a long cooldown (flash or ult) BEFORE going for her all in. She can burn that cooldown, have her charm dodged, and be missing a big part of her kit for a long time window. That's HEALTHY. That has counterplay, that gives Windows of opportunity for her opponents as her only real mobility is on a long cooldown (her q ms isn't anywhere close to dashes), etc... It's much better than say, syndra fishing for w-e stuns, and not committing to anything (i.e. using her r cooldown) until she hits it. Fizz is likewise healthy from his ult perspective (although he gets a busted e to compensate - what does Ahri get?).

If you're getting hit by charm in Lane without her using flash or R, you're playing wrong. It's probably the second hardest cc to land in the game after anivia (who gets a wall and a slow to help land hers). Morgana gets a wonky hit box, lux gets to pass through one Minion, most other cc skillshots are faster.

Leto GT10/3/2018, 9:18:51 AM1 votes

Tahm kench is really op when played properly. I think he has a 100% pick or ban rate in current world play-in.

floo10/3/2018, 9:24:49 AM1 votes

What are you talking about Jhin consistently meta? It's not like he is strong right now because of 2 interactions and was before only because of other item interactions. Otherwise he was as mediocre as other adcs, if not less.

BobaFlautist10/3/2018, 6:13:38 PM1 votes

Because it's unreasonable to expect adcs, burst mages, dps mages, divers, juggernauts, or skirmishers to buy any of the powerful, dedicated anti-tank items item 3036 item 3033 item 3071 item 3135 item 3151 item 3153 item 3031 in the game if they want to shred through a full defensive build on a champion with two tank steroids and neutered damage.

How else are they going to get their third flat pen item or second item that gives them an additional ratio?