I wish kindred didn't get screwed over.

Omen46··2 votes·719 views

I'm actually wondering how many summoners even play kindred anymore. From what i hear, only champion players can really play them at all, and if they don't get kills early, their useless at just about anything late game. As far as i can tell, their entire kit is based on only their passive. This means that everything works around their auto attack. They may be marksman, but they are not considered adc. honestly love the kindred, i love how the contradiction between the both goes beyond just physical form. But, they have very little real viable concepts. If they are forced to rely on one thing, their hunts, why is it so easy to negate it? unlike Viegar, or Nasus who also infinitely stack small boosts into something impossibly strong late game, Kindred cannot as easily do this, even if it is a small boost. It is too easy to kill their camps and camp their targets. I can not infinitely outplay every single summoner i come against in stealing camps and dodging counterganks. If i don't stack those points, I lose absolutely all my prowess in game. Even with full build I cannot play. The abilities of kindred do not do well enough to protect them from almost anything. q is a small hop, which may jump walls, but that isn't getting anyone away. Against Rengar, Xin Zhao, Master Yi, Kha Zix, and many other jungles, her hop is nothing but a parlor trick. Late game there is no item that can save the kin from these champs, the assassins have too much burst for kindred to drop ult, master yi auto attacks to death with no chance of kiting or running away, and xin gap closes and just ends kindred with a few aa and a ult. If anyone else feels there may be a problem with the kindred, I would love you to right below, explain your own complaints if you want, or list examples, i would love to hear people back me up on this. If you are against me, i wouldn't mind if you challenged these thoughts, I have an argumentative spirit though, and I may challange you back. [slayer-jinx-catface]

if you are a riot employee, I would ask you don't just throw this away. If you like where kindred is, (which after 5 bad games in a row i'm honestly not item 3151 ) I ask for assistance for me and whoever would right here with me. Every guide on Youtube i have ever scene is from before the kindred nerf, or they have a 'decent' game. I would like a REAL guide to an effective play on kindred. I've tried dozens of builds, and though i have fun, it stops being fun when the enemy starts gloating late game at you or when you lack real firepower to make a decent effect on your team. thanks and bubye.

favorite build for bots match: item 1419 item 3512 item 3065 item 1053 item 3071

I love when I don't even add any masteries or runes and my kindred hp regen is 13.5 hp per second for no reason.

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TricolorStar3 votes

Hi, Kindred main here. There's ways to make Kindred effective but you need to know their strange playstyle. Here are some tips and tricks: **

  1. Do not be afraid of giving early ganks.** Once Kindred hits Level 3, the hunt is on. Make some passes at mid and top in particular. If they're pushed out, your E>Q combo will at least make them burn flash. Kindred's level 3 spike is one of the strongest in the game, with Mounting Dread being a powerful slow and damage dealer.

2. Always take your jungle marks Rift Scuttler is always the first mark to show up. Always always always take this. The early max health increase in damage is essential to snowballing early. After Scuttler, small monsters like Raptors and Krugs will begin to appear. Use Control wards to maintain vision of your marks. You can even intercept a low-level enemy jungler, securing a kill and your buff if you're quick on your feet!

3. Mark the enemy jungler first, mark the support rarely The enemy jungler is likely going to be the first person you see 1 on 1. Since Kindred has such a great early game after the first clear, do not be afraid to sic Wolf on them to get an early kill and a second mark in conjuction with your Scuttler mark. Mark the support rarely, if at all. I know it seems counter-intuitive, but supports are usually harder to kill than their ADC partners. Kill the damage dealer first, then clean up the supp. ** 4. Save your ult for dire situations and dives** I can not stress this one enough and it's the hardest one to learn. Do not, I repeat, do not go ulting willy-nilly. Kindred is a Celestial champion, and as such Lamb's Respite has game-changing potential. Do not ult if enemies are low, even if it means you'll die. Ult to save allies from turrets and when you get caught out. Ulting under your own turret is generally a bad idea. However, ulting under Dragon and Baron keeps them from dying too, allowing you to steal if you time it right.

The build I use is item 1418 (the wards help you keep track of your jungle marks) item 3006 item 3085 item 3153 item 3071 item 3147 I hope this helped.

Omen461 votes

I see. Thank you for taking the time to reply. In all honesty, being a rank 5 kindred hasn't helped me much. I play them all the time. If you don't mind. I would appreciate it if you could elaborate a bit more on a few issues of mine. I have turned games a few times. It is an amazing feeling, but, to actually turn the game around you need teammates that can actually par with other champs. I have yet to actuallly turn the tables on another jungler in a 1v1. It always seems the tips to fight kindred always out pace the tips to play kindred. I've never turned around a 1v1, I'm always bested bye the same dang junglers, Master Yi, Xin zhao, Diana, and Amumu. I can't always have a jungle that's easy to fight. Also your build is curious to me. you rely on complete assassin mode attack style, but you not only block off smite withing team fights, item 1418 (which i assume is how you keep tabs on your hunts,) you pick item 3085 for some reason that just mystifies me. Kindred doesn't scale AD very well, and it seems strange when her q does the same thing with w, so it seems it can't do much for jungle hunts. The only reason i thought it was in recommended was for damaging multiple members withing your ult, say to bring 3 full life champs to half life. Black cleaver is a tanky item that can allow for some sick burst, and duskblade assists in movement and sneakiness. (item 3147 item 3071 ) I can even say it has crossed my mind for the fact Riot has added this particular item: item 3252. But, too my experience, kindred isn't an assassin. I see she can be built like one, her kit just doesn't say assassin though. There is absolutely no effective CC, other than her e slow. wolf's wide range doesn't scale well last i checked, and he q isn't exactly a gap closer though. I like her kit, I really do. I just can't seem to wrap my head around this full attack kindred because she doesn't seem like a full attack kind of champ. bot matches with kindred are mad fun thoughKindred While i fail either way in any game with kindred. I have played with the idea of hp regen. Kindred has an amazingly high base hp regen. As such I have ALWAYS wondered if paired with the right runes, masteries, and items, how fast can her hp regen go? without runes, i've gotten a 10.5 bye level 7 with item 2053 item 3211. with a pot during i got 20+. my hope is that this information can prove useful. I'm wondering if relying on her passive hunt stacks as a only source of damage and building straight tank and hp regen if i can reach a point where i can heal so much so fast that it reaches a point about half as effective as volibear. Where just walking out of battle for 5 seconds can recharge your health. With her kite I think it could be pulled off amazingly. Still just playing with it. Finnally, I have seen these tips 50 times. I've practiced them daily for a week, now I'm just fed up because I'm still always having my butt handed to me by newbie xin and diana players. still getting caught mid gank bye lux, and still getting screwed late game bye Vayne. I am trying and it is so frustrating when I can take Gnar Poppy MissFortune and get s ranks, yet always have to COMPLETELY rely on my team because I fail every 1v1 that's not before level 6. I wrote more for help rather than anything else, and though i got very little other than some more thinking supjects, I appreciate you writing back at all.

                                                                                                   Yours truly-
                                                                                                                  omen
Spârky1 votes

Yea when kindred was actually viable i played the shit out of them got level 6 mastery then they nerfed them to no end. I think that they just need to reduce the q cd inside the w by maybe a second or half a second and maybe give her w heal back if that wasnt enough but i just really want them to be viable again. The only time i can pick them is if lee, hec, vi arent the enemies jungler.

AgeOfTheMage1 votes

i did find a build, the lethality changes seemed to have helped her, most people build her crit, i tend to go full armor pen/lethality

Omen461 votes

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i did find a build, the lethality changes seemed to have helped her, most people build her crit, i tend to go full armor pen/lethality

interesting, I'll have to give it a shot.

AgeOfTheMage1 votes

yeah, you deal massive damage plus with the bonus damage from your passive you can devastate people, i also take bloodrazor so i can get my AA's off faster and for the %health damage

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