Triforce isn't the problem, it's specifically irelia and darius when interacting with conqueror

Hammermancer·Sep 24, 2018·2 votes·1,312 views

really hoping i don't see every single sheen user get nerfed again simply because of irelia and darius having too much synergy with conqueror.

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Moody PSep 24, 20186 votes

lol Darius not even strong and you still blame him because triforce is busted

D357R0Y3RSep 24, 20181 votes

triforce isn't even related to conqueror

its users are tank assassins that oneshot squishies with triforce proc nothing related to conqueror

HammermancerSep 24, 20181 votes

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triforce isn't even related to conqueror

its users are tank assassins that oneshot squishies with triforce proc nothing related to conqueror

it definitely is, read below, also it makes more sense to nerf the champions who have issues with it by hitting their Base AD by like 20 or 30 at 18, which would drastically reduce their damage over the course of a fight (90 per auto)

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What's the interaction that makes them both abuse it? Maybe Irelia does abuse it a little, but what is Darius interation that abuses it. He abuses Black Cleaver with one basic attack applying full Black Cleacer stacks. So what is he abusing on triforce that isn't the items fault?

it's not that triforce is strong, it's that black cleaver is no longer required because dealing 20% of your damage as true damage is comparable to shredding 25% of someone's armor, thusly opening new itemization options. Conq needs to be fervor of battle not true damage, it's hard to itemize against and makes the core bruiser item into something that's... kinda useless. this is what allows triforce 'abuse' it's not triforce it's conq, if triforce get's nerfed enjoy the essence reaver darius, or whatever else takes over, because noone needs cleaver it has diminished returns when you have true damage conversion at the top of your AD

Moody PSep 24, 20181 votes

cleaver was a shit item before conqueror came out

HammermancerSep 24, 20181 votes

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cleaver was a shit item before conqueror came out

A shit item they had to build to be viable <3

Moody PSep 24, 20181 votes

Who? Everyone was better with Triforce before conq besides like urgot. TriGage was >>>>> Cleaver

Darius was the only juggernaut who buys either who was straight ass unplayable at the start of season too.

Frosted TipsSep 24, 20181 votes

What's the interaction that makes them both abuse it? Maybe Irelia does abuse it a little, but what is Darius interation that abuses it. He abuses Black Cleaver with one basic attack applying full Black Cleacer stacks. So what is he abusing on triforce that isn't the items fault?

DarukongSrSep 24, 20181 votes

Why do people think conqueror is so great on Darius lol? He gains like the least marginal utility of almost any conqueror user. I'd rather go resolve tree grasp for healing and utility or phase rush because he gains 100% effectiveness from their benefits. Conqueror helps Darius in all the ways he doesn't need, and he basically only gains like 2/3 of the beneftis as opposed to champs like jax, you, or tryn lmao.

DarukongSrSep 24, 20181 votes

Although I wouldn't mind conquerors being reworked and having it's true damage completely removed. It destroys much of the countrtplay that belongs to mobile dps champs like jax or tryna because now even resistances will do nothing to mitigate them, meanwhile you can't escape or kill them because of things like jax stun or tryna ult, and they shred you with insane dps which, if they take something like borc and some crit, is going to Shrek you almost instantly 99% if the time, because now these late game champs also have beastly lane phases.

HammermancerSep 24, 20181 votes

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Why do people think conqueror is so great on Darius lol? He gains like the least marginal utility of almost any conqueror user. I'd rather go resolve tree grasp for healing and utility or phase rush because he gains 100% effectiveness from their benefits. Conqueror helps Darius in all the ways he doesn't need, and he basically only gains like 2/3 of the beneftis as opposed to champs like jax, you, or tryn lmao.

I rarely lose lane to a darius due to my champ pool being strong against him, but I see what he does to my teammates and I know what conq does in general

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Although I wouldn't mind conquerors being reworked and having it's true damage completely removed. It destroys much of the countrtplay that belongs to mobile dps champs like jax or tryna because now even resistances will do nothing to mitigate them, meanwhile you can't escape or kill them because of things like jax stun or tryna ult, and they shred you with insane dps which, if they take something like borc and some crit, is going to Shrek you almost instantly 99% if the time, because now these late game champs also have beastly lane phases.

Fervor should be brought back but have it stack twice as fast for casters giving it like... value for mages (Adaptive stats?)

Then conq should just be moved to resolve with it scaling more off of defensive stats as to curb what happens with IE+Conq. I think it's just the placement of it in the precision tree which makes it a problem.