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Is being a support champ about having good base numbers or actually helping people?

SpecterVonBaren··2 votes·375 views

Why is Brand on the bonus free rotation as a support?

What is your definition of a support champion Riot? Because this shows a distinct lack of understanding why someone main's a support champion and it makes me VERY afraid of what you intend to do with the support update when you get to it.

Brand CAN be taken bot, and he CAN CC someone for the adc to kill, but that isn't why you pick Brand bot and it doesn't make him a support champion, he is still an APC, he's just one that doesn't need a lot of gold to do damage. Putting him in this rotation is not "giving people a wide pool to choose from" it's giving people the wrong message about what it means to be a support and if changing supports into burst damage dealers is how the support update is going to go then I don't want any part of the game anymore.

Playing a support, AN ACTUAL support, is about enabling others to be powerful, it's about saving your allies from being killed and about being the one champion in a match that won't ditch you to go for a kill. Having Brand be one of your bonus "supports" isn't going to help you understand how to make being a support more attractive, it's going to make more people think they can just be another carry in bot lane.

Is support supposed to be about where you go on the map or is it supposed to be about actually supporting people?

12 Comments

UsiTsukino2 votes

Until you take both kills by mistake, and the adc starts complaining: -Omg you took both kills. -Omg this Brand. -Omg I wasted flash for that kill.

T___T ...

I mean... "Kill Secure" is awesome. xD But I "ks-ed" trying to stun both of them in a row. And if my adc is a high-toxic player, well... xD

PD: Goes to play Brand support just to stay with the meta ^^UU But will not leave other supports behind

Escheton1 votes

Did someone in worlds pick it as a support? Then yes, it's a support.

GeminiRune1 votes

Zyra

Brutalitops011 votes

Brand is on rotation as a support, as is Zyra, because, while they may be mages, the community tends to play them more as supports.

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/community/promotion/dark-horses-support-brand

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

The support role came to exist because they could function without farming (allowing the ADC to take all farm in the lane).

Champions were usually chosen for this role due to qualities such as their innate utility, innate durability or innate damage; they were not heavily reliant on gold, items or experience for their damage.

This is the primary purpose for having a support: they enable the gold-reliant ADC to hoard farm and are effective even with low gold income.

Brand is a damage-oriented champion capable of filling the support role due to his low gold reliance. He has some utility (stun, slow from Rylai's Crystal Scepter due to his passive), high base damages (scaling perfectly fine with little aside from magic penetration items) and easily procs the gold-generation from Spellthief's Edge.

He was used in pro-play and has been recognized as a viable support champion for over two years.

What are a few other viable damage-oriented supports? Zyra Velkoz Annie

SpecterVonBaren1 votes

No. That is not what a support AS A CLASS is. That's the position on the map you are assigned, not what a support champ is. Ivern is a support champ that's played in the jungle but it doesn't make him a mage just because he's in the jungle. This is not about positions, this is about the support class.

This is not about pro play, pros will use anything in the support role so long as it fulfills a specific purpose, solo que players don't pick their support champ because of some grand strategy, they pick them to counter someone on the enemy team or because they have synergy with someone on their team or because they're just more used to them.

Brand is NOT a support, he can be put in the support ROLE, which just means he can go duo bot, that doesn't make him a support CHAMPION. Brand doesn't deviate from what players like about being a mid lane APC other than buying a sighstone.

EcchiOtakuTM1 votes

Brand zyra vel annie carry enough value to be down 1 item and still cc the enemy with high bases.

Plus none of them have mana issues unlike other mages

I dislike full damage supports but they're still allowed to exist

UsiTsukino1 votes

What about Veigar? If we allow Brand, Annie, Velkoz, etc, well... Veigar has an ability to stun someone with 1 click, and not 2 like Brand.

EndlessSorcerer2 votes

Veigar was a contested support pick back when his E didn't have a delay and his ultimate scaled with the target's AP. That was a large part of the reason Riot changed that ability.

He just maxed E first and stacked CDR.

UsiTsukino1 votes

{quoted}

Veigar was a contested support pick back when his E didn't have a delay and his ultimate scaled with the target's AP. That was a large part of the reason Riot changed that ability.

He just maxed E first and stacked CDR.

Aaaw :(

bad arcade kitty1 votes

if anything supports get a decent amount of gold but starve on levels, so having a good base damage is not mandatory to them

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